@bobobologna: I also think MGS isn't a stealth only game. It gives you choices. It is a logical progression of the age old "army guy" video games which fall under anything from old school contra type games or modern first/third person action games. If you are trying to progress the gun based action game genre, what is the next logical step after every other game is just a guy shooting everyone? Expand the "move set" with melee, holds, and avoidance techniques, all which naturally involve stealth (thats how real army guys do it apparently). Also it's tactical espionage ACTION. Botton line, games like SC and MGS are a different evolutionary path of gun based action and shouldn't pigeon holed into a narrow category.