Multiple Disc Argument - It just doesn’t work for anyone.

[Lord Flashheart]

RVDondaPC said:

Lord Flashheart said:

How does setting up your own line contradict my opinion? I never mentioned that until the post you just quoted which wasn't the post you questioned originally and doesn't contradict my opinion in any way shape or fashion. Not even a little forget about completely.

My opinion is DVD's are cheaper to make than BD. As stated many times.
When making each product it's cheaper whether outsourced or done internally to make DVD's than it is to make Blu-rays. The more sold the cheaper still.
Sure the more BD's made drives the cost down but that's only for BD's and also works the same way for DVD's.
All evidence shown so far backs me up that DVD's are cheaper to make than BDs.
And some publishers do manufacture their own disc. Nintendo for certain markets or SEGA. So doesn't that contradict your point?

Sorry, I may have trouble understanding you because your English grammar is rather confusing, but from the first post I quoted you in you stated that, "On a large scale producing BD will cost less but for smaller less well known games that aren't going to sell as well as Uncharted it will impact them more than making the game on DVD9." From that it makes it seem as if you are saying that only producing a large amount of copies of a game will make BD cheaper but if it's only a small amount of games than DVD will be cheaper. To me the only way that is possible is if you are factoring in fixed costs such as setting up a factory line to manufacture the BD's. Well if you knew that publishers don't have their own factories because they outsource the manufacturing to manufacturers, you would know that either BD or DVD would be cheaper regardless of how many copies a game sells because there is no fixed costs to set up a factory line since the manufacturer has already covered that. 

It doesn't matter that you think DVD is cheaper or if you thought that BD was cheaper to produce. The fact that you made a distinction based on how many copies would be sold shows that you are trying to factor in fixed costs that don't exist. 

Also Nintendo and Sega don't manufacture their own discs. You probably think Apple Manufactures their own computers too and that all McDonald restaurants are owned my McDonalds. Just because the name is on it doesn't mean they built it. Publishers/developers create the content of the game and put it on the disc and then they send it to a manufacturer and they make all the copies of the game. It wouldn't make sense for a publisher to have their own factories because one month they may need 5 million discs printed and then the next month they may only need 2 million. Then the next month they may need 10 million discs printed. How do you set up a factory for that that is run efficient? You can't. So they outsource it to manufacturers who can can juggle the demands of many different manufacturer's and therefore they can be much more efficient and reduce the average cost of making a DVD, BD, CD, etc. There may be exclusive manufacturer's that only print games from a certain publisher but that doesn't mean that the publisher owns the manufacturer. 

Oh god another internet grammar nazi.
I'll say what I always say to you  Cambridge taught Oxford English professors. This is the internet not the foreword to the complete works of Shakespear. People post in a rush, in a seconds language or just enough for people to get the message but as you lack the ability to understand that I'll try to spell it out to you. in crayons if i can find some.

I'm talking in general not absolutes like most people in the world. Are you telling me that it isn't usually cheaper to mass produce something?
To the bolded. I was talking to someone else who was saying it was always cheaper to make BD's than DVDs. Did you read all that before you interjected yourself into this? I was saying that if a game isn't going to sell that many on BD then the cost would be even higher. Higher than it would be if the same amout was made for DVD9 due to the whole, the more you order the cheaper it becomes and how long DVD has been out. I was saying that DVD's are cheaper to make than BD's in similar quantities. I have said that many times.

You have an obsession with setting up production lines. Ignore that. In fact don't. Are you telling me that if you have to factor in the cost of setting up a DVD line against setting up a BD line the DVD line wouldn't be cheaper given how long DVDs have been on the market and the market share it has, how much it has sold and how long they have had to refine the tech to drive cost down? Sure it might not be an absolute but in general.
COMPARED TO EACH OTHER. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend that. I'm not talking about if they are cheap to make but compared to each other which would be cheapest and all the evidence people have produced on here backs me up.

Do you think I'm saying it it's expensive to make BD's? I'm not I'm saying it's cheaper to make DVDs than it is to make BDs. I might have said that somewhere in this thread I'll see if I can dig up a quote somewhere.

Please tell me where I insinuated that every new game made they had to factor in the initial cost of setting up a production line?
You are seeing a lot of things in what I'm saying that aren't there.

PS your grammar is perfect