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aragod said:
UncleScrooge said:
aragod said:
I hope this works, people should stop beeing cheap and start buying new games. That's if they want them...

Seriously, why do you buy used game, why not just rent it? Used game doesn't support the developer, so there is no reason whatsoever between that and pirating...

Again we are not slaves of any developers. Why do we have to support developers? They have to support us by giving us the games we want. If a game isn't worth the full price tag to someone I absolutely encourage him to either buy the game used, rent it or not buy it at all.

A free market revolves around the idea that consumers decide what to buy and the producers of the goods have to make sure customers buy them. If the manufacturers just produce their goods and people have to buy it because they have no choice you call that planned economy. And with a lot of industry people blaming customers that for games bombing (and blaming them for used game sales, too) I wonder if they really want this to stay a free market. 

 

Honestly, if anywhere in the world a business collapsed because it produced goods people don't want or because it has a terrible business model would you care? (Again look at the car industry: When they started to ask the governments for money people went like "What? It's your own fault you didn't see that coming. Car sales have been stagnating for years and governments encouraged you to innovate for decades!" but when it comes to videogames it suddenly is our "duty" to support developers? Everyone has to take care of their money by themselves and everyone wants to save as much money as possible. It's natural. It's the way a free market works if we want it or not.)

 

Because if you wont support them, they will stop making games, it's that simple. If the game isn't worth full price, DON'T BUY IT, noone is forcing you. I really don't need a lecture about market theory, thank you, I've got masters in it.

The comparasin between cars and video games isn't very good, it's like saying that the property market is stagnating because people don't want to live in houses. First of all there is a huge difference between price points. Second, you need one car, but "many" video games. Third, you can't do without a car today, while you can do without videogames. Fourth, many video game developers are "freelancers" while all car manufacturers are gigantic corporations. Fifth, video game developers may put out one title in two to five years periods, that's their only prodcut, if you won't buy it, they might close (look at Activision closing up studios recently, just because their music games didn't sell last year), on the other hand, car industry is a large factor in state economy, so you won't see them closing as easily, because there are jobs, contracts and large tax income for the country.

Exactly! If there are not enough people to buy the games the company will go bankrupt. And if no one buys goods from Wal-Mart then Wal-Mart will go bankrupt, too. So what? If the company produces games only a handful of people would pay for it's their own fault. Again that's how the market works, if you've got masters in it or not. What you say is that you like this company and want to support them. That's fine of course but not all people like certain game developers enough to support your argument. In fact only a handful of people does. You can't just skip the whole free market thing just because you like a company. Instead developers could try to decrease costs and make their games more mass market friendly instead of punching customers and telling them what to do and what not.

Oh and I was just using cars as an example. Of course they are not the same as videogames but it would also make "sense" for car manufacturers to act the same way as people would be forced to buy new cars. That's all I wanted to say. And again it would only help the industry but not the customer. "Industry forcing people to buy products new because it helps the industry". That's all. It was in no way related to the things you said above. You could apply that to any industry: If you force customers to buy only factory sealed products your sales will increase. That's all I said and I'm sure you will agree with me here.