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Kasz216 on 19 February 2010
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vlad321 said:
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vlad321 said:
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kowenicki said:
Now everybody (all scientists) accept that we had a very warm period in the middles ages.. vineyards in england.. etc etc. and that was followed by a very cold period round about 1600(little ice age).

So if those extreme climate conditions werent caused by man then why does this one have to be caused by man?

There are various explanations, I think having read all of them that "man made" is the least compelling.

We can neither stop it nor cause it imo..... only learn to live with it.

Are you saying CO2 in the air doesn't affect the climate, or that there is no CO2 in the air?

The CO2 in the air effects the climate... however the effect it has on the climate is very tiny I think appears to be the most llikely case.

With Global Warming being a mostly natural effect.

I will just start off from here in the thread.

Ever hear of the straw that broke the camel's back? Because I think this is might be one of those amazing situations where that ridiculous statement may be true. Just as an example I came up with while I was writing the previous sentence, women have periods, they bleed at regular intervals. Now if you stick an IUD up in her, she bleeds worse. Yes, she will always bleed every month in a cycle, but the IUD also makes it worse, more blood, more pissy, you get the idea.

Basically what I am saying is that humans have caused SOME effect, we don't know what it is and since the planet does it every so often cyclically as well we don't really know what's normal or not. If there is indeed a balance between keeping the earth alive, and a destructive loop, and we don't know how much even a little more emissions effect the weather, and our small amount of added CO2 could compound results, and most mportantly the fact we don't have another planet to move to currently I say that we tread lightly until the risk (only habitableplanet we have could become uninhabitable) becomes smaller not to tread lightly, either by being pretty damn sure about our real effetcs, or by finding another accessible planet. Sorry I feel like that sentence turned out to be too long for its own good.

I understand what your saying... but there isn't anything that supports this. As such i'm going to have to go with the "null" until actual research is shown otherwise.

On the other hand we don't really know that it doesn't affect anything in a way that could tip something irreversible. We just don't know enough to say either way. For instance, just because no one knew of calculus and gravity before Newton, doesn't mean those laws didn't exist beforehand. There has always been a cost/risk with many decisions, and I wager that the risk here far outweighs several trillion dollars in potential damages. Another example, remember that anesthetic they used to give women during labor? Once the tools and the ability to detect it, it turned out it was pretty ahrmful to the babies, even if they were just barely exposed to it. Same thing here, we just don't have the tools and abilities to gauge what we're doing, since the end of the world is at stake, it only makes sense to act liek adults and see the consequences first.


Before global warmin people believes in global cooling. That CO2 was making the world colder. additionally if it truley was a "camel's back" situation then global tempeture trends should be even more significant then ever. there actually is proof against your hypothesis.