joeorc said:

augustoaag said:

joeorc said:

an I JUST POINTED that out did you not read what i just posted?

look the problem is the CAV drive is not a CLV drive which means that 16MB is optimistic value based on many thing's i just stated, and to be sure why do you think Microsoft section's off a part of the Disc!.

that's the point I am driving at the slower transfer speed between the xbox360's DVD drive and the Blu-Ray Drive in the PS3 is moot point. for the simple fact that on Average the Blu-Ray drive in the ps3 will perform just as fast as the xbox360 dvd drive in transfering Data .

only in certain area's will there be a slight speed advantage and that is pretty much slim due to the very fact that the

DVD drive have to read DL-dvd9's which will already slow their performance because if Microsoft did not section off part of that disc it would effect the speed even further.

since the DVD drive in the XBOX360 is a CAV not a CLV drive

why do you think the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 is so expensive vs' the DVD drive in the xbox360

Blu-Ray is one part the other is the fact its a CLV optical drive. and it's also a 8X CLV DVD optical drive to boot.

Like I stated this is on Average, but the problem is on Average the xbox360's drive will dip in speed based on where their data is and the closer to the inner part of the disc the slower it is, that does not even take into account the laser having to go through multiple layer's. there is alway's going to be a hit in it's performance. to offset this Microsoft section's off part of the disc. but when have you seen the game's microsoft use that use up the full disc?

you do know the 16 MB's benchmark for a CAV dive is calculated for what the DRIVE's performance

is with SINGLE LAYER DVD's

the same drive reading a DL-DVD's take a big hit in transfer of data

it's transfer rate is much lower than 16 MB/sec just look at it Average speed of 11 MB/sec it's Average speed drop's to 8.5x just on Single layer that's is Optimistic rate that may not even be that high. an rember that's just benchmarked for a single layer.

there is a reason why the xbox360's optical drive is cheaper than a TruX rated drive this is one of them.

to tell you the truth Microsoft would have been better off going with the HD DVD optical drive like the Blu-Ray Drive it was also a CLV optical drive

who the hell cares about SINGLE LAYER?

why are you talking of HD DVD?

why do I think the blue ray is expensive?

microsoft not using the full disc?

why is the "average speed" so interesting?

so?

What matters is the drive speed in games, and in ps3 it takes 22 minutes for the obligatory INSTALL of the game (5GB) , something that thanks to the dvd drive in xbox360 is not required. BUT if i want to install it all the data (6'5 GB) it is done in 12 minutes.

http://kotaku.com/353612/devil-may-cry-4-ps3-the-mandatory-install-final-time-22-mins

tekken 6 load times with and without installation...

PlayStation 3 Load Times (Not installed):
Time #1 (loading trophies, saved data etc…) 18 – 18.4 seconds
Time #2 (loading characters and preparing to fight) 16 – 18.8 seconds

Xbox 360 Load Times (Not installed):
Time #1 (loading saved data etc…) 0 – 0.3 seconds
Time #2 (loading characters and preparing to fight) 10 – 10.5 seconds

PlayStation 3 Load Times (Installed 4.6 gb):
Time #1 (loading trophies, saved data etc…) 1 – 2 seconds
Time #2 (loading characters and preparing to fight) 11 – 12.2 seconds

Xbox 360 Load TImes (Installed 6.7 gb):
Time #1 (loading saved data etc…) 0 – 0.3 seconds
Time #2 (loading characters and preparing to fight) 10 – 10.5 seconds

please go here http://www.lensoftruth.com/?cat=47

Look all the games that require an installation and its load times and keep saying that blue ray is better for games.

ahh, yes that very old and much tired old chestnut, have you not even looked at this entire thread. bewcause you just had to jump in and not read or take a gander on what i HAD posted...

you posted this:

who the hell cares about SINGLE LAYER?

why are you talking of HD DVD?

why do I think the blue ray is expensive?

microsoft not using the full disc?

why is the "average speed" so interesting?

so?

well I am tired of repeating myself IF you want to know why just read through the past post, you come in here and you think I was slamming the xbox360 ..good show you just made your self look very foolish. I was in this thread trying to give my opinion on thing's , if you would have bothered to read this entire thread you would know what I was talking about. but you instead had to jump right to this point and try to make it seem as alway's about the PS3 v's the xbox360 which it was not even about that with what I posted. If anything the only negative thing that someone could see was how i thought By microsoft not putting in HD DVD drive from the get go and instead sticking with DVD cav optical drive's that there could be in the future with storage issue's.

so once again congrat's on skimming through past most of the post's

Sorry i didn't think you were so dumb.

Go search rethorical question in the wikipedia and stop FLOODING the thread with unrelated stupid Sony loving crap.