WilliamWatts said:
joeorc said:
WilliamWatts said:
joeorc said:
it's not so much as a problem it's more of a logistic's thing, one only has to look at statement's from Carmack and other's like Rockstar game's
Example:
"The PC is limitless in the amount of data you can put on it," said Willits. "The PS3 has about 25GB. But the Xbox 360 roughly has 6 to 8 GB of data. We're hoping we can squeeze the game down to two discs for the 360 version."
According to Willits, the game was supposed to feature several wastelands for the player to explore. Because of the limitations of the Xbox 360's media, they had to cut down the wastelands to only two, which are themselves split into multiple instances. These changes have been made across all versions of Rage, not just the 360 port.
"I wouldn't say the overall story was changed in any way in order to fit on the Xbox 360 version," Willits said, "but how the player experiences Rage's story has been altered." Unfortunately, that means the experience has been altered across all platforms. This is one of the first signs we've received of the 360's older DVD media showing its age, but we expect some fans won't be terribly pleased that it's affecting other versions of the game as well.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169963
think about this they did not even talk about the BD-50 they talked about both the xbox360's and the PS3's base storage for their optical disc's storage capacity
notice what i pointed out before its cheaper for a single layer BD-25 for developer's than it is for ( 2 ) DL-DVD 9's
not only is that single layer HD DVD would have been cheaper to produce an distribute this game on they would not have to worry about the space issue v's cost's to distribute the multi-production on multiple disc's. it's just one more thing that add's to the cost than the limitation that game's most of the time are locked in at $60.00 for a new release, multiple disc's eat into those cost's moreso than a single layer HD DVD 15 or Single layer BD 25
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Hypothetical improvement list:
- Reliable
- More ED-Ram
- More CPU cores
- More RAM
- More memory bandwidth
- Larger disc
So really even if we strike off initial reliability (PS3 sucks too) we've probably got about 4 objects higher on the list of things to improve before they get around to something which maybe helps 10% of games 4 years after release. The cost/benefit isn't there.
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but on the very same token say in 4 year's how would not having a HD DVD 15 disc not help the current XBOX360 for game's?
it only helps keep the xbox360 more of a viable choice instead of the upgrade. that i think is the bottom line of cost/not needed benefit of right now than later, yes it's not great upfront but later the format becomes cheaper and only become's more of a Asset than a hinderance. just look at how many system's the xbox360 sell per year
think 10 muillion system sold per year is not worth the production for Toshiba to not produce the optical drive for Microsoft even when as time goes by it would be much cheaper to do so for Toshib and Microsoft both.
the only thing that hurt's the life of the xbox360 is if the next system come's out and the xbox360 fan base decide to forego supporting the xbox360 which do you think that would happen?
I do not but on the same token what kind of optical drive will the next xbox have? or will it even have an optical drive at all?
do you think Microsoft's next system will still be using DVD?
that's a big ? what if indeed Microsoft dis put HD DVD inside the new xbox would that gather more of a drive for xbox360 gamer's to move onto the new xbox over keeping their xbox360 esp. if the new XBOX can play xbox360 game's?
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Its simply not worth it. $1B worth of HDDVD equipment doesn't really offset a marginal cost paid by publishers a couple of years down the track and certainly not for a marginal number of games which would stand to really benefit. However paying more money for say a better memory architecture, more ED-Ram etc would pay off from launch vs the PS3 and relative to itself on its own in a much better fashion. If more ED-Ram didn't meet their cost/benefit criteria then I doubt that an HD-DVD drive would and continue paying off better than HD-DVD or Blu Ray because every single game has a graphical interface but not every game requires more than 7GB of space.
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but would that same HD DVD equipment cost 1B today if the HD DVD would have one the format war?
not to mention the IHD licence fee's that Microsoft would have made per ever HD TOPSET BOX.
like i sttated it was a risk.
and also yes you are right not every game would be required to need more than 7GB of space right now but say in 3 year's what then?
we do not know. my Q: still still stand's what would Microsoft put as its optical drive in the next Xbox it releases, would it still use DVD or would it go for HD DVD optical drive or no OPTICAL drive at all, and go all digital download and offer an external optical drive if you want to play xbox360 game's on the new ver. of the xbox.
my point is would the xbox360 suffer loss of support when the next xbox come's out due to the next xbox having better overall hardware, what would seperate it mainly from the xbox360?
the longer this generation goes on the less likely the jump frm the previous generation to the current system's had a much bigger impact than I think will happen in the next generation system's get released. I Think the impact will no be as great due to thestrength of each system's support
have you ever seen a third place system get this much support as much as the ps3 has already attained already for a 3rd place console? let alone with
a) more system's on the market at one time vs' previous generation's all competing for you time as a gamer and your money.
b) when the systems are not even 5 year's old into the generation
remember the previous gen.
ps2 had a 300Mhz
xbox360 had a 766 Mhz
the game cube had 405 Mhz
today we have system's in the 3,2 Ghz, and with multiple core's
less static system because of the software can be tweaked.
that bery same thing that make's thes unit's better as time goe's on make's it one of the very reason's they would in all likelyhood remain on the shelf longer thus the longer the system keep's selling the cheaper it become's to manufacture , so how would the HD DVD 15 GB disc not benefit the xbox360 over time due to the cost's would be lower. unless you could not see the xbox360 notbeing able to sell more aystem's when the price goes to $99.00. what would the sale's of a $99.00 xbox360 compard to the sale's of a $99.00 PS2?
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