Capcom laments DVD capacity - Lost Planet 2 compromised

[joeorc]

johnsobas said:

joeorc said:

WilliamWatts said:

joeorc said:

it's not so much as a problem it's more of a logistic's thing, one only has to look at statement's from Carmack and other's like Rockstar game's

Example:

"The PC is limitless in the amount of data you can put on it," said Willits. "The PS3 has about 25GB. But the Xbox 360 roughly has 6 to 8 GB of data. We're hoping we can squeeze the game down to two discs for the 360 version."

According to Willits, the game was supposed to feature several wastelands for the player to explore. Because of the limitations of the Xbox 360's media, they had to cut down the wastelands to only two, which are themselves split into multiple instances. These changes have been made across all versions of Rage, not just the 360 port.

"I wouldn't say the overall story was changed in any way in order to fit on the Xbox 360 version," Willits said, "but how the player experiences Rage's story has been altered." Unfortunately, that means the experience has been altered across all platforms. This is one of the first signs we've received of the 360's older DVD media showing its age, but we expect some fans won't be terribly pleased that it's affecting other versions of the game as well.

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think about this they did not even talk about the BD-50 they talked about both the xbox360's and the PS3's base storage for their optical disc's storage capacity

notice what i pointed out before its cheaper for a single layer BD-25 for developer's than it is for ( 2 ) DL-DVD 9's

not only is that single layer  HD DVD would have been cheaper to produce an distribute this game on they would not have to worry about the space issue v's cost's to distribute the multi-production on multiple disc's. it's just one more thing that add's to the cost than the limitation that game's most of the time are locked in at $60.00 for a new release, multiple disc's eat into those cost's moreso than a single layer HD DVD 15  or Single layer BD 25

 

Hypothetical improvement list:

1. Reliable
2. More ED-Ram
3. More CPU cores
4. More RAM
5. More memory bandwidth
6. Larger disc

So really even if we strike off initial reliability (PS3 sucks too) we've probably got about 4 objects higher on the list of things to improve before they get around to something which maybe helps 10% of games 4 years after release. The cost/benefit isn't there.

 

but on the very same token say in 4 year's how would not having a HD DVD 15 disc not help the current XBOX360 for game's?

it only helps keep the xbox360 more of a viable choice instead of the upgrade. that i think is the bottom line of cost/not needed benefit of right now than later, yes it's not great upfront but later the format becomes cheaper and only become's more of a Asset than a hinderance. just look at how many system's the xbox360 sell per year

think 10 muillion system sold per year is not worth the production for Toshiba to not produce the optical drive for Microsoft even when as time goes by it would be much cheaper to do so for Toshib and Microsoft both.

the only thing that hurt's the life of the xbox360 is if the next system come's out and the xbox360 fan base decide to forego supporting the xbox360 which do you think that would happen?

I do not but on the same token what kind of optical drive will the next xbox have? or will it even have an optical drive at all?

do you think Microsoft's next system will still be using DVD?

that's a big ? what if indeed Microsoft dis put HD DVD inside the new xbox would that gather more of a drive for xbox360 gamer's to move onto the new xbox over keeping their xbox360 esp. if the new XBOX can play xbox360 game's?

 

that's just wrong, what determines life cycle is not the format at all.  Games and market share determine the life cycle, market share being the most important thing.  Microsoft's success so far has been because of the 1 year headstart and the price advantage over the PS3.  If they put in a HD DVD drive all of that is gone.  The sales wouldn't suddenly pick up later in the gen, the PS3 would have dominated it from the start because with everything equal the PS3 is gonna win.  360's market share is what is killing the PS3, even though it is more powerful developers don't make use of it, making the extra power and disc space not an important factor at all.  If Sony wants developers to make use of it they have to dominate market share like with the PS2.

I strongly disagree, I think you looking at it from a past perspective of the previous gen. instead of looking at from this perspective.

this is not the previous generation. there is a big problem i see with looking at it as such because of the changes in the way the game industry has headed.

for one unlike the previous generation this generation of system's are less static IE they are updatable through software adding function and better software performance.

also the viability of these system's are all online connected system's thus since they all have updated software that be downloaded.

I will ask this again:

HOW would have HD DVD been a Hinderance to the XBOX360 later if the xbox360 would benefit by being able to have an included function that only help's developer's not hinder them?

as for :

"The sales wouldn't suddenly pick up later in the gen, the PS3 would have dominated it from the start because with everything equal the PS3 is gonna win.  360's market share is what is killing the PS3, even though it is more powerful developers don't make use of it, making the extra power and disc space not an important factor at all.  If Sony wants developers to make use of it they have to dominate market share like with the PS2."

how would you know for sure?

By going with what you know right now what about 3 year's from now?

what happen's when the new playstation an xbox360 get's released?

I asked this before and Im' asking it again.

the only thing that hurt's the life of the xbox360 is if the next system come's out and the xbox360 fan base decide to forego supporting the xbox360 which do you think that would happen?

I do not but on the same token what kind of optical drive will the next xbox have? or will it even have an optical drive at all?

do you think Microsoft's next system will still be using DVD?

that's a big ? what if indeed Microsoft did put HD DVD inside the new xbox would that gather more of a drive for xbox360 gamer's to move onto the new xbox over keeping their xbox360 esp. if the new XBOX can play xbox360 game's?

that would indeed effect the xbox360  due to the fact that if this new xbox could play xbox360 game's would xboxfan's who already have an xbox360 buy the new system or stick with the xbox360?

unless you think the new xbox will use DVD or have no Optical drive at all?

we don not know for sure but I for one think that HD DVD would only help extending the xbox360's capability's since developer's like ID software's veryown Carmack, and rockstar game's developer's have both stated already DVD is putting some limitation's on their game's already.

already the xbox360 is at $199.00 say in 3 year's it get's to $100.00 the very same price as the PS2 is now do you think the sale's of the xbox360 would be weaker or stronger than the ps2 is right now in its now 10th year?

i think it would indeed be stronger due to the fact that by the time the xbox360 is at that price point many people "gamer's" esp. would view the xbox360 as a great system to buy due to the fact that the xbox360 will have more capabilities and more function's in it's 10 year's than the ps2 has in its 10 year's. the big problem which will have a big impact on the next generation of system's because since these system's are all upgradable with new software, flas storage, in some cases bigger harddrive's.

what would the new systems offer that would make you want to go out and buy the new system..the software right?

so what happen's if the new software for the xbox360 look's just as good as the new xbox system's game software for the first year or two?

as a matter of fact what happen's if they release the new software that can play on both system's because of development cost's may in of itself be

just as high today if not higher would 3rd party developer's choose to make the game playable on the xbox360 also to offset the cost's?

say for the first year or two of the new xbox system?

In my opinion all these thing's point toward the xbox360 and ps3 being on the shelf space longer and i think the main companies know this, only Nintendo may have some of that breathing room because does anyone realy think the next system that Nintedo will release would not be a HD system?

yes Nintendo may create a new version of the Wii like they did with the DS but odd's are it would be HD, since more consumer's have or are going to buy a HD tv set due to the fact that TV manuf. are stopping production on analog tv set's or have dropped production of them completely.