loves2splooge said:
theprof00 said:
loves2splooge said:
theprof00 said:
loves2splooge said:
Gosh this thread is completely drenched with e-machismo posturing. A perfect example of why gamers are looked down upon as anti-social nerds. Pretty funny to see geeky jrpg gamers of all gamers (who are perceived as geeks by the alpha males of our society) act like e-tough guys. What is it with gamer nerds needing to be confrontational and aggressive behind a computer screen? I expect this kind of behaviour from a Halo or Call of Duty community (high-octane testosterone and what not) but to see it among the jrpg community is quite sad. As a self-proclaimed geek and long-time jrpg gamer, I'm ashamed that our community manages to stoop this low. Sure he made an unfair evaluation on the game (it's not a bad game per se. It does what it intends to do. It's just not for him and he's entirely within his right to disagree with From Software's game design philosophies), but is it necessary to attack him?
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You have no right to complain about a game when you turn your attention to something else every 5-10 minutes.
strategy guides are one of the biggest gaming failures for the gamer. It completely removes the player from the game; for what? To get 3 more damage, or a slightly better weapon, or to beat the game in a shorter time? Why? Because you have other games to play? Which will be used with another guide? It's just one run after another and nothing is experienced. It makes the game predictable and reduces it to menial task mastering. It is by far the biggest travesty to the gaming experience.
Sure, if you're one of those people who do feel the need to use a guide, I have no foul intentions for you. But do not, DO NOT critisize it, because you have chosen to play it for some strange reason, and felt the urgent need to beat it in the shortest time possible.
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Video games are about fun. I can't imagine that it would be fun for a gamer who can't seem to figure out how to get past an area without outside help to try a gazillion times and keep at it just to save face with geeky rpg gamers on the internets. In the real world, people ask for help all the time so I don't see why getting help on how to pass a part you are stuck on in a video game is all that bad. Is it a personal failing for you if you have to ask a co-worker or manager to help you with something you are unsure about? "I'm too good to get outside help". That is e-macho posturing at it's finest. Men are less likely to ask for help than women. It's cave man, mine is bigger than yours mentality. Men don't like to admit to weaknesses and admit to being the beta to an alpha. And we are seeing this psychology playing out in the gaming community. Because gamers feel like they need to compensate and have something to prove.
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That is NOT what it is at all and you are skewing the OP or your own unmentioned experiences to support your idea. You took the most supportive argument you could find, but look above. 1.Died once. 2.Opened strategy guide. Your inclination to bend the truth to fit your argument is really perturbing, and I am really embarassed for you and your obvious spin. You talk about my "e-machismo", and "caveman psychology", and call me a beta with something to compensate for. What a joke. Even casuals don't use guides.
Obviously if you spend 10-20 times really trying to beat something and just know that you're missing something. Use a strategy guide. I do not blame you. Some games have problems with linearity and would take hours to figure out what you are supposed to do. Jumping to the conclusion that you need a guide before even really trying is a shame, a damn shame. Far too many gamers now use guides with everything and use them as a crutch, if they can even be considered gamers.
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Casuals may not get a strategy guide to look through while they are playing. Just because the guides are often detailed and from beginning to end doesn't mean that they're following the guides from beginning to end. When they are stuck yeah. Casuals definitely do seek outside help for sure. Asking friends for help, or on online forums, looking at a guide online to help them pass an area they are stuck on, etc.
Strategy guides are such a taboo subject within the gaming community but considering the size of GameFAQs, it's clear that a lot of people are doing it. And not admitting to it.
As for whether the OP was quick to use the guide or not, whatever, video games are supposed to be entertainment. If he finds DS more enjoyable that way, then fine. I've used a guide for building Diablo 2 character builds. Is that really wrong? If you make an ineffectual build, that's countless hours down the drain. Countless wasted hours spent on empty leisure that could have been saved for a better experience. I mean what's the point of investing all that time when nothing results from it? To "become a better gamer"? As if that has any real importance in the real world. Gaming is something you do to relax, take a load off.
You only live once, you are mortal, you have a finite amount of time in this world. You do what you enjoy, why should macho posturing people on the internets tell you how to enjoy something? So when I see gamers go on this thread (I'm not singling you out, this seems to be a general theme in this thread.) and flex their e-peen saying, "oh you just suck at this game. don't suck and you it won't be repetitive" or "this game punishes stupidity" or "getting help is for pussies", it just makes me ashamed of being a gamer. Gamers are seen as anti-social nerds for a reason and threads like this show why.
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But the question keeps circling back. What's to enjoy about beating a game, when you had someone holding your hand the whole way. You are right, we only live once. So play games that make you want to play them. What you need to understand is that none of this has been about bashing people who ask for help. It's about the credibility of the criticism. It's not just about critisizing a hard game, it's about critisizing something that he hasn't even given a chance because he is being guided past the game.
I still don't know why you are hounding this macho venue. It's not working. It's a dead end. This is not the argument, but you do have a point. However, that point is off-topic because it doesn't relate to this at all. But I agree with you. There should be a certain amount of give. Just don't critisize something you are not really playing. It's like critisizing a game when you're using game-genie or whatever, or a downloaded save game.
It's like watching a scary movie and having a friend say "something is going to pop up in 5 seconds when it pans to the tv". Not because it helps you get through the movie, but because it ruins the atmosphere. For other games I really wouldn't be as persistant as I am, but in this case, the atmosphere is one of the main draws, and this ruins it.
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