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twesterm on 03 December 2007
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Lost tears of Kain said:
twesterm said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
You cant say that Jhlennon since MGS4 and FF are not out.

In my opinion you can keep them as long as i get mass effect, ive rarely been as impressed as i am with this game. the ONLY thing that hurt really hurts the game is the framerate issues and loading. Besides that its a jewel in video games. This game has so much to offer, and no rpg has ever offered more replayability.

To say mass effect isnt unique is completly rediculas, least in my opinion. Yet to play a game with the amount of cotent, voice acting, and the way story evolves.

Mass effect is dirt crap compared to MGS4 and FF 13.........HA

Oho, greatest huh?

Graphics? Well you can take your realistic looking game with shitty frame rate and load issues and I'll take my beautifully painted 2D games like Chrono Trigger and FFVI.

Story? While Mass Effect has awesome background and characters, it doesn't compare to FFVI and its character development.

Replayability? Mass Effect does offer incentives to replay the game several times, but I doubt most people are going to play the entire game through more than one time. That leaves you with about 15-20 hours of gameplay on average. If you look at something like FFVI that game lasts, what, 40 hours? If you look at Chrono Trigger that game has 13 different endings and it does a great job at encouraging players to actually want to come back.

I won't argue that Mass Effect is a wonderful game but just don't say it's the best at anything besides perhaps voice acting.

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As for talking about FFXIII and MGS4 and trying to compare those games, there's no point in even trying since, you know, none of us have played the finished game yet.


Load issues were really not that bad, they had their moments but really didnt destroy the game, you must really hate them

This is opinion as is your whole post, i think mass effect and its characters are fantastic, it wont appear to have so much character development because its not linear, you have choices. Besides that the story is still one of the best ive seen, with side quests actually some being awsome.

I highly doubt that, the amount of different scenerios with different characters, choices all make for compelling replay, not only that but custimization and different classes. Im sorry but this goes back to your arguement that like bioshock even with different endings it doesnt have that much incentive to replay again. Mass effect does and i cant believe you argue this. Im also at 30 hours and havent beat it (the you know who just attacked the cidital) so 15-20 hours is just doing main quest.

I dont think its the best at anything but voice acting i agree with you, but its still one of the top games in each of its genres including the worse framerate issues.......

Exactly, but still calling mass effect dirt? Comon really?


 Whew, losta replies.  That's what I get for going to bed early.  :-p

  1. Sorry for the misunderstanding, when I saw loading times I meant the LOD models.  While the loading times do get annoying, they don't bother me a lot (the elevators bother me more).  The LOD models being a few seconds late everywhere on the other hand bother me A LOT.  The fantastic art doesn't mean crap when my character doesn't have a face for the first few seconds of dialogue.
  2. I agree that the character development is fantastic (probably more so than you're give credit for), I just don't think it's the best.
  3. The gameplay just isn't good enough to encourage multiple play throughs.  If you're thinking you're playing again for a good tactical shooter, there's much better.  If you're thinking will play again based on a good third person shooter, there's much better. If you're thinking people will play again based on choice, the choices don't make that huge of a difference and the above things will stop them.
  4. It took me between 15-20 hours (forget how long now and I still don't have my 360 hooked up again :blush:)
  5. I never called Mass Effect dirt (well, maybe the presentation), I just say it isn't the greatest in any one area except voice acting.

 

Lost tears of Kain said:
twesterm said:
starcraft said:
@twestern.

I would give Mass Effect a nine and a half. Its story was as good or better than that of any game I have ever played (Bioshock included, though thats a close call), and my total play time was just a little over 35 hours. I have just begun what will be my second complete play-though, which will bring my game-time to around 70 hours. Admittedly it will then be a few months until my next play through, but you can rest assured it will happen, and will mean this game has given me over 100 hours of enjoyment.

So you're assuming that since you took the time to do every single quest you could find and read every codex entry and play the game more than once that everyone will do the same? I'm sorry to break this to you but everyone isn't like you and the vast majority of people will not complete this game more than once and a good amount of people won't even complete the game once.

As much as I like Mass Effect, the gameplay wasn't good enough to keep going and the story doesn't change enough to make people want to complete it more than once. Sure, some people will think I wonder what happens if I go renegade or maybe what happens if I help this guy cheat but most people won't go beyond wondering.

Remember, most people that frequent these kind of forums aren't the norm.


Im quite normal thank you

I havent done every quest, ive just began to dwell into the world known as mass effect. I havent read any of the codex (actually a few). Really if you dont want to replay this game over others then something is wrong with you.

Gameplay is quite fun if you mess around with it. Nothing much more fun then sending husks everywhere with throw, or using singularity to group them up then tossing a grenade in there and wtf evaporating them.

Really this game has tons more replay then any rpg ive played. Only games you will most likely play more are games with multiplayer or games that offer so much danm content its not even funny (im looking at you ff 12 even if your story sucked monkey balls you were worth the purchase)


 Most people just aren't going to get that same experience.  Plain and simple.  I get that you love that and I'm not trying to dissuade you, I'm just saying most people are going to see the game as the generic shooter is it, the so-so RPG that really doesn't offer the kind of choices it boasts, and notice the glaring frame rate, LOD issues, and wonky control schemes.

As I said, people who come on these type of forums are not the typical players, if they were there would be 1 million plus users on this forum. 

 

Legend11 said:
twesterm said:

So you're assuming that since you took the time to do every single quest you could find and read every codex entry and play the game more than once that everyone will do the same?


Most of the posts from people who've played it mention that they're going to replay it again. Also a lot of RPG players seem to be completists so it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of them did indeed replay it to see how things play out differently.


 Once again, these people are not the norm.  The only people that are going to play this more than once are the completist who love the game (and get a feeling a lot of them aren't going to since they'll be comparing it to better games in just about every catagory), random fans, and achievement whores.