| Final-Fan said: I just want to settle three ongoing questions and then let it die without bringing up anything else. Jjust as a note, when I said, "I don't give a rip," I was not talking about the deaths of those people, I was talking about what would happen to blackwater. I am not an uncaring bastard. But it still sounds like you're saying, 'It's terrible that those people were killed, but I don't care whether anything is done about Blackwater, the company that is responsible.' Is that a correct assessment of your feelings? Just a thought, if it isn't OK for American troops to do the search and seizure missions, which apparently results in "going into Iraqi homes in the dead of night, terrorizing... [blah blah]", Then is it OK for Iraqi troops to do the same thing? Especially when they have less professionalism than US Troops do? I'm afraid you've missed the point. Kerry wasn't saying that it was morally wrong for American troops to do that, but somehow not for Iraqi troops. He was saying that Iraqis would be less likely to aggravate such situations by their lack of knowledge of local culture and/or religion; and also that such missions would be a good first step in Iraqi forces actually taking on some of the work they should have been doing already. When it does allegedly happen, we should do a full investigation, but we should give the troops the presumption of innocence and not say they murdered people until after the trial is complete. Again, who has said that? You said that Democrats were talking about "murder in the dark of night", then when I asked you for a source you said, 'well I guess not murder but Kerry badmouthed the troops', then I showed that he didn't and you go back to 'well someone accused them of murder.' Again I ask, who said that, and in what context? |
First let me thank you for being very civil. No really. It is appreciated.
OK, lets take these 3 questions one at a time.
1) No Final, that is not a correct assessment of my feelings. If you notice I said to investigate and then if they are guilty (which I have no idea, as I haven't been following the incident), to give them the full penalty of the law. Perhaps more accountibility in the future will be needed.
2) You make the best argument for clarifying his murky statement, though I still think our troops will do the best job and are simply the most professional and most considerate military in the world. They go out of their way to make sure they do not accidentally kill civilians. Almost to the point where their hands are tied in battle.
3) The person who talked about "murder" was the 2nd most powerful Democrat in the House of Representives, John Murtha. This is his quote, "Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood," and I know the context too. He was talking about the Haditha incident. The Haditha incident has been proven a complete farce. The people who reported the "atrocities" were part of the Insurgents who are trying to kill American soldiers. All the soldiers that have been accused of "killing innocent civilians in cold blood" have been exhonerated. All except one officer. Here is a link to an explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Murtha#Haditha.2C_Iraq_killings (I think I said the wrong Officer's name earlier in this thread)
I had simply mixed Kerry and Murtha's quotes. Sorry about that, slip of the memory. Final, I would ask one final thing of you, however, please read my comments and then step back think about them from a different point of view before you comment. I try to do the same also. (though I don't always succeed)
