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Mazty on 22 January 2010
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selnor said:
Mazty said:
selnor said:

Stop puking nonsense. Global Illumination came after STALKER, CRYSIS ETC. It was new to CRYEngine 3 and new to Unreal Engine 3 after Gears Of War 2.

ME1 has still got some of the best textures of any game. ME2 beats it by alot. The video you posted was an E3 bulid. It's not the first 12 mins either. It's a selected part for Gamespot interview.

If ME2 can look like CGI during gameplay and use the 'limited' 360, then give me more. Because the first 30 mins of ME2 are the most impressive graphics Ive seen on consoles period. When it releases it's the new king in my books. I have never seen gameplay better than Squares CGI before. At 6:13 in the vid I posted, That was astounding.

Look like CGI? Most impressive console graphics you've seen? 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Killzone_2_PS_Day.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Uncharted-2-hotel-climb-screenshot.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Gt5-screenshot.jpg

Global lighting is not new to ME2, any links  for that claim? Ambient Occulsion is a method of GI and that's been around for a while and is in STALKER etc.

The reason ME2 isn't going to have outstanding graphics are:
1)Flat models made up with bumped textures. Just mapping. Look at them from the 'wrong' angle and you can see this.
2)Crap AA. Hardly CGI at all.
3)The quality of the video you are using is awful.
4)How do you expect amazing graphics from the 8800GT? Really? Any chance you can explain that one?

Unfortunaly I get the feeling I could show you a screenshot of Crysis on ultra & you'd still think nothing beats ME2. I'll leave it to the critics, and simple logic. Not an exclusive, not on great hardware, therefore can't be outstanding graphics. Simple as that.


Firstly lets stop with PC comparison. I said on consoles originally anyway.

2ndly You cant judge AA on the internet on ANY video. However we know it has 2xAA and native 720p on 360 according to Bioware. So it will look as sharp as Gears 2 or Uncharted 2. Texture point you make me laugh. Unreal Engine 3 is known for being a texture god engine. This is the latest Unreal Engine 3.5.2 running ME2. I'm as surprised as the next person, I did not expect ME2 to be the beater of Uncharted 2. But it has really stepped it up another notch.

It's ok to want to defend your statement that the 360 is limited. I guess it sucks when games show the opposite. Look at the comments in the spoiler thread on this very site. People know this game is graphically insane.

Okay I'll stop with the PC comparison,.
Why can't you judge AA on videos? That makes no sense.  2x AA at 720p? That's awful. At low resolutions you need high AA, and considering the 360 & PS3 can usually churn out 4xAA or better, 2x simply isn't enough. So it most likely won't look as sharp as console exclusive titles. Unreal known as a texture god engine? What does that even mean?? It's more known for puking bloom like everything's fluorescent. And don't expect the same quality of textures on the 360 as on PC as 360 has a lower resolution and less memory size for textures.
Again, Uncharted 2 looks far better. The textures are sharper with more prost-processing effects such as god-rays, motion blur, field of depth effects and so on. If you can please, please, please explain how you expect a non-exclusive title (that has a recommended card of an 8800GT) has better graphics than exclusive titles, I'd love to know as that means all exclusive titles, across two platforms no less, must have been going wrong somewhere.

As for graphically insane...yeah...may want to look at games other than ME2. Try Killzone 2, GT5, God of War III, Gears of War 2 etc. If you can show me a good screenshot of ME2 which shows this amazing lighting and great textures, I'd like to see it, as so far nothing has made me say 'wow', but clearly you've seen something I haven't.