Have we hit the technology wall?

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Legend11 said:

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So Bioshock looks a lot better? I tell you what, post pictures from the PC and 360 versions of the game and we'll see if anyone can tell them apart. Gears of War is the same thing, post pictures from the same area from both versions and lets see if the PC version is vastly better looking.

Crysis isn't the PC's way of saying "we're back.", it's the game that shows just what is happening to PC gaming. Pretty much everything else on the platform isn't anywhere near it and likely won't be until the successors to the 360 and PS3 come out.

If you don't think consoles are calling the shots you should look at comments made by people at Id and Epic. As for Star Wars and Alan Wake I'll call it now, they won't look significantly better on PC than they will on consoles (excluding the Wii in Star Wars' case). Sure people will be able to play them at 100fps at very high resolutions on high end PCs but that won't change the fact that they won't look a lot better like PC games used to in the past when compared to console games.

As for the curb stomp by the Wii, it doesn't change the fact that because of piracy and other reasons consoles are growing in importance to PC developers. Just look at the number of games that are listed as simultaneous( or near to it) releases for PC/360 or PC/PS3 or PC/360/PS3 , it's far more common than simultaneous releases on PC/Xbox or PC/PS2 ever were.

Bioshock: Yes, it does. The simple fact that I can play it at a much higher resolution with much more detail (again, directx 10, which no console can do). I've seen them both side by side, computer and 360 version and it doesn't compare. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nywdxgJbHQ&feature=related And the textures don't suck when you zoom in on PC.

Gears of War:  

http://www.gamepro.com/video/player.cfm?vid=118260 Guy flat out says the graphics are better.

I'm not your mother, you can look this stuff up and see for yourself. There's no controversy in anything I've said. No opinion on this point, just fact. 

And no, consoles have never called the shots except in console land.

The only reason you're getting crossover right now is because they're fairly new platforms. The original xbox couldn't handle Half-Life 2 at all. It took them a whole generation to catch up.  They can barely run CoD 4, having to go to low def. 

As far as id, their engines have ALWAYS had PC modders in mind.  In fact, the thing Carmack emphasized in his tech demo for id tech 5 was how easy it will be to mod for--also opitimized for directx 10. Gears came with the Unreal Engine 3 developer's kit. These guys both got their start on PC and you can see the love is still there with the PC version of Gears. Carmack is tech junkie, and he'll always push hardware to the limits.

Some will stay behind with the old tech and make a killing off of consoles. So what? Some will so go where technology currently is.  It's not like they have to build from the ground up when they can just buy someone else's engine to make their game from.

Again, stop talking about a platform you are profoundly ignorant about. It just makes you look like a troll. This isn't even an argument; you're utterly clueless about what's going on in the PC world. The simple fact that you didn't even know Gears looks better than a 360 (even on a fairly low end system) illustrates this. 

And if you're still bewildered and lost about this whole capability thing, go back to that PC Gamer video and listen to the man talk about what those guys would be trading for their PS3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gQAsiHOyII&feature=related 

And no, it is definitely not an expensive machine anymore. One of the plus sides to computer technology is that it gets super cheap super fast when these kind of jumps happen. A quad core last year cost something like $1,000.  It's about $250 now. 

I've been PC gaming since the 80s. I've watched it how it grows and changes, where technology goes and what happens. It's nothing like consoles because it's constantly in flux, and the biggest reason is these tech jumps breed a lot of exciting new games that consoles don't have. I saw it in the 90s and we're going to see it again with this tech jump. 

I love consoles for different reasons. I won't touch Dead Rising on the PC (it's coming out) because it'll never match the controller of my 360 or just playing it on a TV. Racing games on PC are a lost cause, but I love Forza 2.  Same with Crackdown, any sports game ever, fighters, platformers. What consoles do, they do very well, but FPS and grand scale games are not in that family.

If you decide to respond, try not to make it something I can easily shoot down in 2 minutes of google searching because I have to "prove" common knowledge.