Wny does Sony not have a 5 million seller on PS3

[jarrod]

CGI-Quality said:

jarrod said:

CGI-Quality said:

No, you're right, Mass Effect nor Gears of War are 1st Party. And IMO, if you count Gears, you must MGS4 for Sony as well.

MGS4 is 100% (money-hatted) 3rd party exclusive.  Konami themselves funded it, published it, advertised it... it's not in any way shape or form a 1st party game.

 

Again, Gears is most analogous to Crash and Spyro on PS1.  Nobody would've called those games "3rd party".

Who argued that it was? It's still an exclusive, the advertising was actually also handled by Sony, and will remain only on that console. When the OP made the thread though, he meant owned, 1st party stuff, which Gears, Mass Effect, nor MGS4 are, even if ME1 and Gears 1 & 2 are published by Microsoft. Sony couldn't even include HEAVY RAIN if you want to get real technical, as Microsoft couldn't include Alan Wake. But if you include those, you must include MGS4, as it is ONLY a PlayStation 3 game and will always be such.

That's just how I see it.

I wasn't responding to "exlcusives" though, I was responding to 1st party portfolios.  Ergo, Gears 1-2, ME1, Heavy Rain and Alan Wake would all count, MGS4 wouldn't.   Games don't need to be "owned" to be 1st party.  They can most certainly be "licensed" or "sublicensed" like Gears or MLB are.  Or Crash was.  Or Enemy Zero.  Or....

I agree with the general point in that MGS4 is perfectly applicable in an "exclusives" discourse.