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See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Look at Avinash in this thread with his pretentious BS about understanding the market. You can make reasons for Natal not succeeding, but Microsoft is definitely making efforts to appeal to the casual audience. When the Wii was launched, Nintendo launched core-type games, at least by Avinash's standards (Twilight Princess, Excite Truck) as well as casual games (Wii Sports, Warioware, Wii Play). Microsoft is a smart company, and they will do the same. I don't want to get sucked into this argument, because I'm sure you'll just go on and on about how well you understand the market and quote business experts (like you just did and do frequently). Seriously, haven't your bans taught you anything? We get it already. Nintendo understands the market. You understand the market. No one else does. Shut up already.