Is there such a thing as "middle core"?

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Xen said:

llewdebkram said:
Hardcore just means killing, bad language, drugs and crashing cars.

Basically all things that in real life would get you in trouble with the law, that's why they are seen as cool.

Anyone that can name me a 'hardcore' game that does not include these I will personally send them a Mars bar :P

It ain't hardcore for shit.

Hardcore is best exemplified by Demon's Souls or Armored Core.

I agree, I don't think a game is hardcore because of killing or bad language etc.

Personally, I think of hardcore games as games that aren't about instant gratification. I can't actually come up with one right now, but hopefully you get what I'm talking about.