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[bimmylee]

TheRealMafoo said:

bimmylee said:
In regards to my first post, we're getting off topic. Here are my main two points:

1) It is perfectly normal and expected for Christians to believe that the Bible is an infallible book; this is a cornerstone of Christian belief, an absolute necessity. If you don't believe this, then you are not a Christian. End of story.

2) The Bible is not something that you can take away tidbits from and not believe the whole thing. It's everything or nothing. Either you believe that it's a holy, perfect book containing God's instruction for mankind, or you believe it's an entirely laughable book of lies. There is no middle ground. The Bible itself claims that "all Scripture is God-breathed." (2 Timothy 3:16) If this is not the case, then the Bible is lying about itself, which would make the Bible such an absurd book that no one should take anything in it seriously. This is why it cannot be a mere "metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives."

Similarly, many people claim that Jesus was a good teacher, but that he certainly was not the Son of God. However, Jesus claimed many times that he was the Son of God; this is why he was crucified in the first place. What kind of "good teacher" would tell his followers such a ridiculous lie? Either you believe Jesus is what he says he is, or you consider him one of the most devious and/or deranged people who ever lived. There is no middle ground. Just like with the Bible.

First off, Jesus never said he was the son of god. Point in the bible to where he said "I am the son of God" and not some metaphor that people construe into meaning it (I mean you can't use metaphor just when it suits you).

yes, this is way off topic, but I must ask...

How are we to take a book seriously, that tells you if your gay, commit adultery, or even curse at your parents, you are to be put to death? You can say Jesus died to move you from gods law to gods grace, and thus the last few thousand years you no longer have to do that.. but for the time from Moses until Jesus, your same god ordered people to do such a thing.

We are supposed to think that this is real? Come on now.

If you can't remember the scripture off the top of your head, it's here:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20&version=NIV

9-13 are the ones I mention, but the rest are not too nice either.

Oh please, let's not quibble over technicalities. Jesus might have never literally said "I am the Son of God," but he does say the following:

"Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

-John 17:1-4

This passage is clear; there's nothing metaphorical about it.

 

I'm not going to argue every little point from the Old Testament; there's plenty of research on it that is available online. Why God has chosen to deal with mankind in such different ways (also known as "dispensations") throughout history is beyond me. I don't pretend to know. As a guess, maybe it is to demonstrate that, no matter what system man operates under (be it law, grace, or whatever), man will always fail ultimately and is always in need of the grace of God. In any case, He is just.

The thing that is by far the most pertinent at this time is the story of Jesus and the salvation he offers. Everything else is secondary.