Top 10 Ways to Fix JRPGs

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Senlis said:

RageBot said:

Kenryoku_Maxis said:

RageBot said:

If you would've played games with really great story you wouldn't have said that statement.

Especially the movie statement, there are several games with plots that are better than the plot of every movie ever created.

Oh, and almost every time, a WRPGs stpry isn't interactive, the twists are the same twists, the characters are the same characters, the ending can sometimes be different, but the ending doesn't reflect the story up to this point, I can give you KotOR as an example for this.

So you've played every game ever made and seen every movie ever made?  Pretty much, you're calling his statements arrogant and countering it with an absolute statement that's more arrogant than his could ever be perceived.

The simple fact is, video game plots and movie plots shouldn't be compared as it is.  Not only are they completely different mediums and hardly comparable, but they focus on completely different modes of interaction.  Where movies are a passive interaction medium people watch but are driven almost entirely by the story and video games are an active medium the user plays which have a whole host of secondary parts influencing not only the story but the users influence (such as the visuals, interface, audio and most importantly, the gameplay itself).  All of this aside, there's just the simple fact that a movie plot is usually between 1-3 hours and a game plot can range anywhere from 10 minutes to 200 hours.  And that same 10 minute plot can arguably have more substance to it than the same game which has 200 hours of dialogue and cutscenes (such as an MMO).

A better story = if you take the story of the game/movie, and translate it into a book, which will you prefer?

An MMO can't be given as an example for a game with a story, MMO experience is solely around interaction and gameplay, you can't have a story in a game that is about multiplayer experience only -_-

I wont mention genres in this statement, since there are games that try this from more than JRPGs. (MGS4, really)

There are many games out there that try to be a movie.  You have player gameplay (often, nothing special about the gameplay (not a MGS4 remark in particular)) through a dungeon or something, then you are shown a non-interactive 'movie'.  Basically, there are a lot of people out there who will play these games just for the story, not the gameplay, and I think that is stupid.

So Kenryoku_Maxis, your second sentience is true, for most games.  But there are games out there which try to be movies.

Really, is there any game which can compare to these movies? http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/11655-top2002 (sorry, couldn't find the embed link).

Again, you didn't get the point out of my post.  I wasn't saying games are inferior to movies.  I was saying they are completely different mediums that do completely different things and have completely different variables and shouldn't be compared.  Movies for the most part only have a few variables.  Which most people boil down to the generic things such as plot, audio and 'direction'.  Games have many more variables, which all influence each other (including the story) and the persons perception of the story.  You may think Uncharted 2 or MGS 4 is the 'best story ever'.  But the game also has presentation, gameplay, audio content, etc that the player interacts with and yes, influences the story as well. 

In games, its not so much the writing that delivers the story like in a book or movie, but how you see and play the game.  Whether its through cutscenes like in Final Fantasy, getting drawn into a battle and a story develops such as in Company of Heroes or just being told 'the princess has been stolen' and discovering over the course of the game who took her as in Mario.  'Plot' is a completely different medium in a game than in a Book or Movie.  And no matter how much a game tried to emulate a movie in graphics, they still need to make the player feel connected to the game interactively.  Otherwise, you're just pressing A and watching a Movie.

After you realize this, its just your personal opinion if you think one medium is better than another.  Personally I have yet to find a game come close to the writing of many of the better movies or TV series I've seen.