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tjallern on 10 January 2010
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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
tjallern said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
tjallern said:
3rd party needs too abandon the Wii. Sad but true... We see this soooo many times. Just abandon the Wii and let Nintendo take care of themselves. How many successful (and good) 3rd party games are there on the Wii? MH3? Help me out here !

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

Try looking it up yourself.  As it has been stated by Iwata himself, something like 34 of the top 50 best selling titles on the Wii, all million sellers, are from third party publishers.  And Monster Hunter 3 isn't even near there yet.

Oh, sorry. I thought I said I was talking about GOOD games which also were received well by the critics, not titles like Carnival Games, LEGO-games, Game Party, Sonic and the secret rings, My fitness Coach, High School musical: Sing it, MySims, Cooking Mama, We Ski, etc etc. If you take a look at the list you provided, how many decent games are there? Should developers be forced to make these kinds of games just so they can sell games on the Wii??? The thing is Zack and Wiki was received well by critics and is a good game, still it gets massively outsold by High School Musical and shit like that. IMO there are maybe 5 3rd party games of the 50 first games that I would ever play, but NEVER buy. But if you feel that Carnival games and High School Musical are the games wii developers should make, then it's fine by me. the thing is, aside from Nintendo games, the 3rd party games on that list is mostly shitty games for kids and housewifes. And of course you have COD, Guitar hero, etc, but these games are not for Wii only and they sell (even more) on ANY OTHER platform as well. Games for GAMERS gets lost on the wii... If I was a developer, I would never lower myself to develop titles like MySims or Carnival games if I wanted to make something like Madworld or No More Heroes just so my games would sell...

 

I'm talking about GOOD, SERIOUS games for gamers here! Really, to think I was to be provided with a list of shovelware... Sorry, but I can't agree with 3rd party success on the Wii when these are the games that sell...

As it has been stated many times before, games that have been 'recieved well by crtitics' are not always the pinnacle of greatness.  And one persons perception of 'serious games for gamers' may be different than others.  Its obvious that Wii is getting a ton of shovelware, but not every game on the Wii from third parties is bad, as you are making it out to be.

I know, and I don't give a rats ass about critics. The thing is, they can give some impression about a game's quality. There are a lot of critically well received games that I hate, for instance MW2. However, 3rd party games have problems selling on the Wii if they're not games like Carnival Games etc, and even then 3.74 million for Carnival Games (highest selling EXCLUSIVE Wii game, not counting GH as they sell on ANY system and MARIO and Sonic at the Olympic Games) out of a userbase of 65 million is nothing to brag about. Where are games like MURAMASA (I see you like it and it sold 0.18 million), Little King's Story, No More Heroes, Drawn to life (good or bad), Madworld, Okami (sold crap on PS2 aswell), Bully, Fire Emblem, A boy and his Blob, Fatal Frame IV, The Conduit (good or bad), Silent Hill: SM, Tales of Symphonia/Graces, Dead Rising (don't know about this one), de Blob (sold 0.77 million / 65 million though), Boom Blox (1m/65m), Manhunt 2 (not saying it is good or bad), Fragile (Japan only, but 0.06 million?)... (some of) These are games I could easily see do very well on the other platforms, maybe not 1m sellers, but definitely more than what they have sold on the Wii (except de Blob, drawn to life of course). I'm NOT saying ALL 3rd party titles on the Wii that sell are BAD, but it seems that developers (that are not able to include Nintendo characters into their games) are forced into a certain development pattern to be able to sell their games on the Wii. I really understand why certain developers don't want this and as a result stops their support. This is not the case with the PS360 where a LOT of different games/genres (even though mostly FPS and 3PS) are able to sell based on their quality alone, be it disc based or through XBLA/PSN.