Your technical opinion on Blu-Ray and the Cell as found in the PS3

[mibuokami]

RAZurrection said:

dahuman said:

Funny, so I didn't say anything wrong about RE5, PS3 performed better while the 360 had effects due to GPU, I don't know where you are getting at.

Uh , no you said this "On top of that, RE5 did perform better on the PS3 because it was worked on the PS3 first and then ported to the easier to dev 360, while the 360 had lower framrate"

I just linked to an independant third party analysis confirming the 360 had the better framerate. Do you lie this much in real life or do you live in a world where a lower framerate with worse graphics constitutes the better version? If it's the latter, please cease communication with our reality.

dahuman said:

I was talking about the Xbox vs the Wii, who was talking about the 360, English, boy, English, use people's context correctly.

Dood, you still loose,

I'm surprised you have the audacity to preach the correct use of English, when you can't even spell "Lose" or "Dude" properly.

dahuman said:  the fact that the PS3 is harder to program for doesn't make it weaker than the 360 as you claim, nor does fit into your idea of him calling his engine the "lowest denominator" with the PS3 side which was your original argument,

How about the fact it performs worse for most games this gen?

dahuman said: your logic completely falls apart on that subject now and I don't know why you are trying to twist it again when it's clear as day. Do you even remember what you were saying before at this point? I suggest you read back to it again.

That PS3 is the lowest denominator for Cry Engine 3, same as Cavet said.

MikeB said:

@ RAZurrection

IMO Uncharted: Drake's Fortune still looks better from a technical perspective. The game implements better HDR combined with AA, sharp textures, smooth animation and many multiple languages (including Dutch). The first game already was good at showing off what the Cell and Blu-Ray can help to accomplish.

Heavenly Sword also has good HDR combined with some fancy filtering. Although IMO the game isn't as solid as Uncharted (however does include impressive scenes with a huge amount of enemies onscreen) it also made good use of Blu-Ray disc by providing support for many different languages (including Dutch) and the cutscenes are really of outstanding quality.

Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction, a very cartoony game which doesn't really need as badly the advanced lighting and filtering (it does have) as in the other games does IMO still looks better than similar cartoony games on the 360. It runs well, an amazing amount of things going on at once (very hectic, IMO the Cell certainly helps to keep track of this all).

Yet regardless of how well you think these titles hold up, they don't really hold a candle to even the multiplatform games of today...or last year, so you're basically boiling it down to different languages on disc (which they do on 360 anyway)..and I don't think anyone would call that a good reason for Blu-ray.

mibuokami said:

Uncharted 1 is still consider a technical milestone, there are few if any games on the 360 OR the PS3 that match its excellence even to date, and that is with merely 1 year of ulitising the PS3 capability, developer got better and they learn how to utilise the system better (both the 360 and the PS3) as time went on, but for every step forward the 360 took, the PS3 is one step ahead in graphic.

Uh, it might have been for 2007, but it wasn't in 2008, so it's definitely not in 2009. 

mibuokami said:Uncharted 2 is the undisputed graphic king.

Uh, no Crysis on PC is Graphics King, on consoles is what you mean.

mibuokami said:

until the 360 can produce something as good as Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2, my point stand.

So until Crysis 2/Rage then...which are coming some time in the next 300 days. All I want to know is, if this is the case - and no-one seems to be arguing that C2 will be better - how are Cell & Blu- Ray worthwhile additions if at best all they do is act as holdovers? History won't look back and see it this way.

 

 

First point is just being petty, of course I'm talking about console, when did the PC even enter this discussion.

With regards to the second, I would like to reiterate that we have seen no live interactive demo of either Crysis 2 or Rage running on the 360 (only a tech demo of the former and nothing of the later), so there is no evidence that either game will match or beat Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 at this stage.

But even if Crysis / Rage did beat the above mention title graphically, what's to stop Sony from taking back the crown with another first party exclusive?

I even mention in my earlier post that developer constantly seek improve themselves and produce better title, why would Naughty Dog for example, suddenly stop improving? Did Epic rested on its laurel when they produced Gears of War which they proudly proclaim was the limit of the 360? No they went and made Gears of War 2 which won many Best Graphic award in 2008.

By the time Crysis 2 come out, ND would certainly be hard at work on their next project and if I was a betting man, I would bet that it will beat anything Crysis 2 or Rage can throw out graphically.

But alas, it is in the future and I cannot make use of it as a source to justify why the PS3 is a superior hardware. It has yet to prove itself! So I'll use what I can and still remain justified.

This is why I find your argument so hollow. You're trying to advise me that 360 is a superior piece of hardware base on potential future products that have not proven themself, I could very well say that Uncharted 3 (which ND has candidly confirm will be forthcoming) will shit all over Rage and Crysis 2 and defeat your hollow argument with an equally hollow rebuttal.

And btw, if you had a look at my early post, you would have seen that I am one of those that propose the Cell was a mistake on Sony's part, we actually agree! But for entirely different reason. I feel that the Cell is too radical a departure from the norm and developer were simply not ready to adapt. It came a generation to soon and costed Sony dearly, all parties (gamers, developers and Sony) would have benefited from a more tradional architecture.

I do think that the Blue-Ray was a great choice so we'll have to agree to disagree.