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PS-She on 28 November 2007
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naznatips said:
Mr_Immortal said:
naznatips said:
Mr_Immortal said:
famousringo said:
Wow, Mr_Immortal, it's like you're still stuck in 2006.

The Wii looks outdated now, but people are buying it anyway. Eye candy isn't everything.

And if you think price is the Holy Grail, just trust me when I say that there's no way that either competing console can beat the Wii at price limbo. It was making making money at release while competitors were flushing money down the toilet with every unit sold. Nintendo can drop the price whenever (if ever?) they need to stimulate demand.

It is nice to see that Sony is starting to move some serious units now. I'd still like to know how much of this activity is the 40GB model. It seemed to drive a lot of sales in Japan, perhaps because of the white colour, but the surges in EU and NA look to be more software driven. A lot of people who have been eying the PS3 seem to have decided that there are enough games to justify the purchase, now.

Yes the Wii does look outdated now, but so does the PS2 which is still selling rather strongly. But if you think the PS2 will sell as strongly in 08 you're sadly mistaken, same with the Wii. Also. regarding Nintendo lowering the price, the Wii will never be free. Logically if consumers (in future) have the choice between a $100-150 Wii or a $199 PS3 with a Blu-ray player/$199 360, they will choose the latter. I doubt the Wii will ever go below $100, at least not within the next few years.

Edit: I'm guessing mid-08 we'll see a real difference in Wii sales. Negative of course.

 


The PS2 is selling less than half as much as the Wii in worldwide numbers, and 1/5th the software. The PS2s life is obviously nearing a close based on software sales and lack of development of new titles, but the Wii's 3rd party support from this year looks like a joke compared to next year's lineup and it's selling more software than any other system, which points towards a healthy console, not one that's going to magically die in a year.


I never said the PS2 is selling as well as the Wii, I compared the fact that they're both outdated consoles that are doing well. Though I don't believe it will last. Yes, the Wii has a few decent titles, (Brawl comes to mind) but overall these titles can't compare to the big PS3/360 titles. I don't think it will magically die, though i'm expecting a gradual decrease in sales starting mid-08. And if there's another price cut for the PS3 and 360 before Christmas 08 (most probably there will be) that will just make things worse. IMO if Nintendo want to survive this entire generation, they'll have to release a Wii 2.


1)  Again, your welcome to your opinion, but the facts are far from supporting that opinion. The Wii's American sales are currently outselling the PS3's combined worldwide sales by more than 100K. How can the PS3 possibly catch up to a console like that when even right after a major pricedrop and during the holidays it's not even within a competing sales range. In fact, it's not even close to a competing sales range. Meanwhile the Wii has yet to even drop the price to mass market level.

2)  For the record, mass market price has been proved time and again to be $200, not $250. The PS2 sold more than 80% of it's lifetime hardware at under $200. Can you imagine what will happen to the Wii if it's not even in mass market price range yet? Not to mention it sold out in much of the world for its entire first year with overall a crappy selection of software and very crappy 3rd party support. Yet, despite this, it's software sales have been very healthy and it had 10 million selling games within the first year (even if you don't count the pack-in sales of Wii Sports) compared to the PS3's 2 million selling games.

3)  I absolutely agree that the PS3 will do much much better next year. I think it will be in direct competition with the 360 because of its quality software and big games like MGS4 and Gran Turismo (FFXIII won't be till 09), but every single piece of available evidence points towards a stronger 2nd year for the Wii than its first. A much stronger 2nd year in fact. I understand completely that you don't want this to happen. Many people don't want the Wii to succede, but this is a game sales site, and numbers and statistics speak far louder than opinions here.


1 & 2)  The PS3 started so far above your market level that it isn't funny.  You claim that market level means so much yet ignore the obvious difference between a console that starts $400 above your market level and a console that starts $50 above your market level.  That's not a small difference.  If market level really means as much as you say it does, just imagine what will happen when the PS3 gets into that ballpark.

You say the Wii still sold well with crappy software and crappy 3rd party support yet some of the biggest name Nintendo titles have already been released-Mario, Zelda, and Metroid.  The Wii Sports packin also yielded good results for Nintendo.  The bottom line is that most of the rest of the Wii's lineup isn't so strong both in name or quality (sometimes both).  Even the worst playing PS3 game that controls like crap looks amazing.  The Wii can't even claim that.  It's only a matter of time until Nintendo runs out of Super Mario Galaxy and Brawl type games and quality PS3 titles overwhelm the market.

3)  The 360 will easily be crushed underfoot as developers like Insomniac and Naughty Dog show how to make the PS3 shine.  It will be those great games that make the PS3 worth owning rather than a slew of mediocre titles.