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Kasz216 said:

And?  The deal was made in place, if HD-DVD didn't win... because of Blu-rays ridiculious pricing structure.

And if CBHD doesn't win, there will be another, and another, and another. It doesn't end.

That doesn't actually change anything.  Had Blu-ray agreed like HD-DVD did, for small royalties, this wouldn't of happened.  Or are you suggesting if HD-DVD won CBHD would of still existed?

I don't know where you are getting this assertion. I'm not suggesting that at all, but I am suggesting that CBHD would exist even if BR caved in and lowered royalty price. I already said that you have no proof that CBHD wouldn't have been pushed to market. It was in production for a while. CBHD, contrary to what I said earlier, but in line with the facts, was being developed before HDDVD's death. Why would they abandon all the work and effort. It makes no sense. CBHD would have come out even if BDA dropped price. HDDVD was always going to lose, and CBHD would take its place. In between these two products was S-DVD, a dvd upscaler from toshiba and dvd forum. All this format war ever is, is BR beating one format, and then dvd forum pushing another competitor under a different name with a slightly different architecture. The product being developed has nothing to do with the royalties, and everything to do with a technology that is trying to be pushed.
The product being supported, on the other hand, is only supported when the founders of said technology are simply trying to recouperate anything they can. Toshiba and DVD forum will settle for a bucket of fish come next format.

That proves my point, not disproves it.  Unless you think Toshiba would of just willingly given up a big market way back in 05.

? No, they wouldn't give it up. They keep pushing it over and over as different formats. They knew they were going to lose HDDVD so they started work on S-DVD and CBHD. If those fail it will just be something else with less profits.

HDDVD was the main draw. That's where the profit was (eventually). Given that they couldn't have that, they settled for less, and less and less.

Either way, the fact that you claim Microsoft was supporting HD-DVD over Blu-ray because of console wars certaintly suggests that Console would be more valuable then movie rights.  (Something i missed you saying earlier.)

MS supported and subsidized HD-DVD for two reasons. Codecs and Confusion. They stood to make more profit if HDDVD won in two ways. Licensing costs, and 360 sales.

 

Of course it also suggests that apparently PC Labtops are more valuable then Consoles then.  Otherwise Sony would be selling Linux only right?

How does anything suggest that??? What?

I'm completely done