Wired FFXII review, not so good.

[lestatdark]

vanatos said:

lestatdark said:

vanatos said:

lestatdark said:
@vanatos

By all means, please do, as i'm rather enjoying this argument ;).

When did I also said that in order to agree that a game is good you must accept that every aspect of it is good? I don't even do that for my favourite game, Lufia 2, why should I do that for any FF game? xD

Look, i'm sorry if I took your words out of context, yet you didn't use the proper context for it, and it wasn't me the only who noticed it, I don't care if you think that only you and yourself are right, but at least have the dignity to understand that you weren't right as well ;)

Oh, and were did I ever said that you shouldn't criticize FFXIII or you were doing something wrong if you critiziced FFXIII? Do you even read what I post? :P

I might have been a bit abrasiven my first post on this thread, but it's because i'm a bit tired about people (in this forum and those who haven't played the game yet, I made that perfectly clear, don't even try to dismiss that) complaining about a game which they haven't even tried out yet, but I never targeted anyone saying that they were wrong and I never insulted anyone, you may want to stop that line of reasoning right there ;)

I see that you're trying to do reverse physicology here and try to pin this out on me, and I give you points for effort, but that doesn't work with me :)

from your last post it seems you think i believe FF is crap and FFXII sucks, as a general thing 'So saying that FFXIII sucks is bashing, but yet saying that FF is crap isn't? Ah, isn't that a bit of a double-standart argument?' however ive made it quite clear FF6 is my favourite FF even though i think its gameplay is bad, and in general i think gameplay in FF isn't good purely because of its random-encounter-repetitive-nonengaging-kill-normal-enemies-easily-with-just-attack-command'.

I apologise too if i was too aggressive.

I dont really believe you enjoy grinding in games, nor do i believe anyone, in general, enjoys grinding, you stated numerous times as some kind of counter-argument that jrpg's are all like that, it seems to me this is a type of argument that is telling someone 'you just gotta accept it' and it seems you would say this if your 'resigned' to it rather then enjoying it.

I believe that many JRPG's that are turn-based, fail in their design in that it becomes boring and repetitive because normal enemies, consisting of the very large majority of encounters (therefore gameplay) you just press x to kill them, their too easy (as in choose attack and thats it).

A turn-based game should be tactical, in the vein of shin megami tensei nocturne, where you really gotta pay attention to every encounter and one false move and your party dies kind of approach, and it should feel like you gotta use different stuff just to win for every encounter.

I mean it seems to me thats why we get so many different kinds of attack, physical, and the whole plethora of magical attacks.

That being said, i generally like the character design, and the cinematics seem pretty good, that alone might make me enjoy the game overall.

 

 

I do enjoy grinding in games, it's what I find appeal in RPG's, the kind of appeal that most other genres don't have to me. I respect that people may not like it, as you may not, but to me it's one of the plus sides to the RPG genre in general ;)

I agree with your assessment that Turn-based games should be more tactical, that's why I enjoy the SMT series way more than FF, it gives you a sense of accomplishment and through thinking in each battle, that no FF game has ever achieved.

I'm sorry about missing your FF6 comment, and being a bit harsh on my comments as well ;)

I agree with mai in the aspect that you are well informed about the series itself, as clearly only a person who knows about FF can argue like that, we just have different points of view about what we enjoy about the series itself. I respect yours then ;)

I agree with you.

im glad we can come to an agreement, even given our bad start.

Do you like grinding itself? or the payoff of it? or both?

I'm glad as well, you have quite some argumentation skills, I appreciate that in people ;)

About the grinding per se, I clearly enjoy more the payoff in the end that the whole process itself, it's great to see that hours of my work were put to good use, but the process can also be enjoyable, as in most games, I tend to learn more things about the enemies when I'm constantly battling them.

In Diablo 2, which was the epitome of grinding games to me, I learned all about how to link up the best possible skills and item combinations via the intense grinding sessions on Hell Act V runs, which then led me to create even better characters the next time I started the game.

The most recent game that I can consider that grinding has helped me develop the skills necessary to survive and improve on the game itself was Demon's Souls. The large dozens of hours that I put on my first time around on that game led me to be able to start the game anew after losing my previous character, and do half of it without dying one single time so far, which I consider to be a personal achievement xD