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Wow 51gb sounds real good so long as they work on the old players. I just got an Tosh A3 for $170, (well technically i wont have it till the holidays but still). Honestly I Hope for a stalemate. IT really is the best for the consumers which is what we all are. Cheaper players because of competition and more promos. MY $170 player got me over $175 in free movies (7 free, 2 in box and 5 by mail.) all because of competition. Can't wait to see what extras they pack into those 51 gb discs