perpride said:
There isn't a single person who has played EVERY GAME that has ever been made, however, everybody can rightfully pick a game that they believe is the greatest game of all time. In other words, I don't need to play every game to have a favorite game. The only games I haven't played from that List are Rogue Galaxy and Startropics. FFVII absolutley destroys every other game that you listed, so I'm going to assume those two are no exception. People are going to have different opinnions than you my friend, and you need to learn to live with that. Graphics have absolutley nothing to do with the popularity of FFVII, because every Final Fantasy looks exceptionally good for its time. For gods sake, half the games you listed aren't even good games, nevermind on the same platform as the greatest game of all time. |
“Graphics have absolutley nothing to do with the popularity of FFVII, because every Final Fantasy looks exceptionally good for its time."
now, thats just a lie. im sorry. thats like saying sex appeal had nothing to do with the sales of the DOA games?? im glad youre not in marketing.
"The only games I haven't played from that List are Rogue Galaxy and Startropics. FFVII absolutley destroys every other game that you listed"
wow. im Impressed. either you are a lair or your nostalgia has completely blinded you and you are in a complete state of denial.
"For gods sake, half the games you listed aren't even good games"
you amuse me. your fanboyism levels are through the roof at this point. You might as well be using the grammar of the typical fanboy and say “CRONO SUKZ FTW!!! FF7 PWNS THAT SHIT!! LOLOLOLOL” I would probably get the same impression.
anyway, lets look through a few games on my list and I will tell you why they are superior to FFVII.
ark the lad. For the record, the only one I ever played was "twilight of spirits." the thing that makes it superior to FFVII is its plot and characters. I remember borrowing it from my uncle a few years back. at first I thought "meh, this doesnt look that great." while playing it at first, I criticized it and made fun of it a bit, but as I got further I really started to grow attached to the characters and It really grew on me. At first site, the game doesnt seem like much. its a typical medevil RPG setting. The thing that makes it exceptional is the story telling aspect. It doesnt need a futuristic settings or a grungy style. It isnt as over the top or as flashy as FFVII and yet it tells a much deeper, much more gripping story and has much more interesting characters than FFVII could ever hope for. It tugs at your heartstrings and at times is very dispiriting but it leaves you satisfied in the end. overall, it is definitely a much more enjoyable experience storywise. I also liked the gameplay but its hard to compare it to FFVII because they are totally different.
FFX. Though it has received very harsh and unfair attacks, I find it to be one of the best FF games. once again, this mainly falls under the story category. FFX has a much deeper, much more tragic and well thought out plot than FFVII. Though not all characters are incredibly deep (though most are), they are all likeable and unique. A lot of people hated tidus, but I find him to be a much, much better protagonist than cloud. Tidus actually has significant character development. he has problems ten times worse than cloud but you dont see him bitching about it. I dont want to spoil the ending of the game for anyone who hasnt played it, but in the end he makes one of the biggest sacrifices of any main protagonist in FF history. aside from tidus, there are other deep characters like jecht, auron, kimari, and yuna. I cant even put into words how amazing the storyline is in FFX. the only final fantasy game that rivals it is FFVI or maybe FFIX but I think FFX wins by an inch. as a side note, I also preferred the gameplay in FFX. it was refreshing to revert back to the pre-FFIV battle system. I slightly prefer it over the ATB bar.
FFVI. In all aspects a much, much, much superior game. First of all, the characters are far more in depth and likeable than the characters in FFVII. The gameplay is smoother. the storyline of FFVI was heavily borrowed from (more like stolen from) in the making of FFVII (but lets not get into that rant). lets take a look at kefka. when choosing between kefka and sephiroth you are basicly choosing between A) a villain that is evil for the sake of being evil and just wants power and destruction, vs. B) a villain whose motives are not well thought out, and is nothing more than a mama's boy with identity issues and a temper. im going to go with "A" because at least he's well written character (despite his simplicity). FFVI is a better game, period. but it will never be as recognized because all the FFVII fanboys have the same attitude, "who wants to play those 2D games??! ROFL LOLOL!!" its sad.
Legend of dragoon. the big one. this game stomps FFVII in every way. storyline wise, it is a masterpeice. There are so many brilliant twists and every one of them were far more powerful than those in FFVII. The characters are all amazingly well thought out and you can really feel for them. The story itself starts out simple but gradually grows more complex. everything comes into fruition and it doesnt have that directionless, static feel that FFVII had. Seriously, I think they were just making it up as they went along through most of FFVII, but I digress. The style in LOD is original, majestic and beautiful. It is interesting the way they integrate renaissance architecture and art into the game effectively. It brings you to much, much more imaginative and stunning places than FFVII. the game itself is over twice as long as FFVII. The music is way better. FFVII had only a few memorable tunes. there was the battle theme, the main boss theme, the arieth theme and the sephiroth theme. thats about it. and even those, werent that great. The sephiroth theme is good, but overrated. the arieth theme is OK but its not a masterpiece. legend of dragoon has countless songs that are awe inspiring (not to mention he OST itself is twice as big as FFVII’s. here are just a few great songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jq-J1B_4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htZDQ40gocM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZlzHNjUr0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjho4BoLSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTYmx2o3puM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvDfIcMI3M4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoDQJ8hiQCI
the gameplay is also far more innovative. the addition, magic attack and dragoon addition systems were unique and added more depth and excitement into the battles. FFVII did nothing to innovate FF's battle system. it was FFVI's battle system all over again. The graphics in LOD are better but its by a long shot. LOD came out 3 years after FFVII but it looks like a thousand times better. Not just the in game graphics are better. check out this cutscene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkvEtD3TlJY
now, graphics are not what bought me into this game. let me tell you a long story about legend of dragoon and FFVII. when I was relatively young when FFVII came out (around the age of all the other impressionable kids that would turn into deluded FFVII fanfags) I played FFVII at a friends house, and I didn’t really like it. He insisted that it was a masterpiece and made me I borrow it. I was like “ok, whatever.” I went home and played it, and I still didn’t like it. I beat the first disk and a half, but I couldn’t take anymore. I went back to playing FFVI and earthbound on the SNES. Those I enjoyed ten times more. I just wasn’t intrigued by FFVII’s story or characters, I wasn’t entertained by the gameplay or pointless side missions. Overall, the game left a bad taste in my mouth. A few years later, legend of dragoon came out. I hadn’t heard of it but one of my Dad’s friends let us borrow it, FFVII and a few other games. Throughout the years after my first experience with FFVII, I had heard all the hype and how the game was so amazing. So I tried it again……. I felt exactly the same as I did before. It was boring, had a shallow plot and it offered nothing to draw me in. I decided to pop in legend of dragoon. Immediately I knew it was better. The gameplay was more fun, the story already seemed more interesting and it only got better the more I played it. Everything about it screamed perfection and then I looked back at FFVII. I just didn’t get it. The characters sucked, the gameplay wasn’t that great and it was just not enjoyable. What was so great about that game? Well, years later after beating legend of dragoon twice, I played FFVII again. This time I was determined to like it. And this time I beat it. But still, it left me feeling empty afterwards. At that point, I had played all the classics like Chrono cross/trigger, FFVI, FFIV, startropics, vagrant story, FFIX, seiken densetsu 2 and 3 and skies of arcadia. I sat there and thought to myself. “you know. FFVII isn’t all that great. All these other games left bigger impressions, kept me interested and presented much more immersive plots and gameplay. FFVII just pails in comparison. There are far better games and legend of dragoon is one of them. It never let me down. Forget FFVII. It has been nothing but a disappointment and a waste of time.” From then one I forgot about FFVII. I continued playing more and more RPGs in the PS2 age and I found many more games that still remain classic to me. Eventually once I got into internet reviews and gaming forums (in roughly 2005) I noticed a trend. Everyone was praising FFVII. Everywhere it was treated like it was fucking shakespear. I thought, “well they must have played it as a kid and they have nostalgia for it. Ha, I feel sorry for them. Im glad most people don’t think that.” But as I went on different threads and forums, FFVII just kept popping up. I couldn’t understand it. That game was not one of the best RPGs ever made. I knew that for a fact. So why couldn’t everyone else? What is so great about FFVII?? I asked this question and what did I get for my reasonable inquiry? I got ridiculed and flamed up the ass for saying or even thinking anything negative about it. I saw it all on the forums. FFVII, #3 best game of all time. FFVII, #1 best RPG of all time (that was a frequent one). FFVII, 1# best final fantasy game of all time. “what the fuck is wrong with you people??” I thought. “what is so great about this game?? Tell me, please! Because im in the fucking dark here.” they answered by saying how it had “the best story ever,” “best characters ever” and “best gameplay ever.” I was flabbergasted by this. Every thing they said that was supposedly great about it, were the factors I disliked most. I hated the characters, I hated the gameplay and I hated the story. At this point I was beyond humorous observation. I was beginning to become angry. Year after year, people would praise FFVII on every forum. They would recommend it to people saying “it’s the best. You haven’t seen what the playstation can do until you’ve played it. You have to play it if youre an RPG fan!!!” When I would make a thread about the top RPGs, FFVII was always put above my favorite games by everyone. I decided to give the game one more chance. I played it and…… it still wasn’t anything amazing. In fact, I disliked even more. I was older and wiser. I found even more flaws than I had found previously playing it. I finally concluded that all these people were nostalgic morons and I did research into why FFVII was so popular. I found the answer. The graphics. That was it. It explained everything. Once I knew that, I saw FFVII with different eyes. I saw it for what it was. An overrated, overhyped pile of shit. Now, the straw the broke the camel’s back was when I decided to look up some reviews of Legend of dragoon. It was just about 2 years ago actually. What I found horrified me. I found some reviews that gave it the recognition it deserved but the majority were absurd, illogical, bias, asinine rants of FFVII fanboys claiming how much it ripped off FFVII and how it was inferior. I saw some of the most idiotic lame-brained attacks against it by even some of the big sites like gamespot, and IGN. From then on I realized hat FFVII is more than a craze. It’s a plague. It’s a scourge. It’s a disease and it needs to be cured. Someone needs to spread the word. Someone needs to reverse this trend. Who knows how many amazing games like LOD have been smothered by the idiocy and ignorance that emanates from the FFVII fanbase. I wrote essays, reviews and blogs about it and never have I run into a single FFVII fan that has presented any real evidence of FFVII’s greatness. They make the same arguments you have made. “Its classic!! Its popular for a reason! It is the best!!” I have concluded with absolute certainty that FFVII is the most overrated game of all time and it is not a masterpiece. I would have given it an 8/10 (barely). I probably deserved less inherently, but because it was one of the first 3d RPGs it deserves a little slack. Now I might hate this game with every fiber of being but im still fair. Anyone not willing to admit that there are better RPGs than FFVII needs to grow up and broaden their horizons. Legend of Dragoon is just one of the many games that are superior. People need to get out of denial. FFVII is not an amazing game. There is simply nothing in it that is amazing. Storyline, gameplay and replay value are all mediocre. That’s all there is to it. Well, there you go. You wanted to know why I hate FFVII so much and why I have come to believe my opinion is nearly fact. FFVII is not the best Game ever made. It is not the best story ever made. It is not the best final fantasy game ever made. It is not the best RPG ever made. Its not the best PS1 game ever made. that it. I dont know what else can be said. If FFVII makes you unable to fully appreciate any other games, than im overjoyed that I never got sucked in like so many unfortunate people.
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