Contoller/Console better for FPS than KB+Mouse/PC?!?

[Reasonable]

Senlis said:

Reasonable said:
I think folks need to decide the criteria they're arguing here - i.e. is this a pure mechanical input device comparison devoid from any element of gameplay, preference or trends or is this about what tools work well for what job?

For example, if the latter, then JaggedSAC is correct, both input methods are used with games and experiences tailored to them - i.e. gamepad designed for ease of use while sitting in a chair or the like in front of a TV, with game speed and movement designed for it or sitting at a desk with a K&M playing a game with speed and movement designed for it and it's a bit pointless to argue further.

If the former then the K&M mechanically is more accurate and easier to use to aim/move a reticule accurately (forget in a game, just imagine some sort of screen test with small boxes on the screen you have to highlight in the shortest time) however, while the mouse is superb for the job the keyboard is limiting in design and doesn't fit your hand as well as a gamepad - but nonetheless a gamepad won't match it for speed/timing response in a neutral no gaming sense.

Clearly, as I and others have stated, it you wanted the absolute best movement/aiming mechanical input then you'd need keep the mouse but ditch the keyboard and use something like the Nunchuck instead to get better movement and easier fit to the hand.

In the end, while I understand that mechanically the K&M does have an edge in empirical terms, I think JaggedSAC is correct when he argues that, factoring in game design, environment, etc. it's better to simply see them as two tools that work well for their given environment.

I would like to see a design that combined a Nunchuck with something like a mouse - the Wiimote is no use as while reasonably accurate the thing has too much weight over time to hold and the wobble factor isn't too good.

Well, I don't find sitting in my computer chair any more or less confortable then sitting on my couch in front of the TV.  In fact, I used to have my computer connected to my LED TV and ended up moving it back to my monitor.

Replacing the KBM with a nunchuck would severily liimit functionality.  One of the major benefits of the KBM is the number of buttons you have.  In L4D2, if I need to pull out my pipe bomb in an action packed survival match, the easiest way is to hit the '3' button.  Pressing the up or down weapon change buttons on a controller is akward, and changes behavior depending on how many weapons/items you have.

Doesn't fit your hand well? Maybe you should get a better keyboard and mouse.  My mouse molds to my hand and my other hand rests on the keyboard at a very confortable angle.  Yes, a joystick does fit your hand better, but it is like fixing a problem that doesn't exist.

People seem obsessed with digital movement when it comes to forward/backwards/strafing movement.  I don't see the problem with analog.  I see pressing a button much faster than moving a joystick, and never have a problem with sensitivity.  If I want to move slowly, I am usually crouching to take advantage of increased accuracy (as most games feature this).

I do play some shooting games on the console.  They are usefull when I have people over at my house and we want to play local multiplayer.

I agree on the buttons, but that's JaggedSAC's arguement really - that's a design choice for that game.  In general you could say a limiting design factor of all console pads is there is a limit to the number of functions you can support, which can be both a pro and a con depending on the game.  But this discussion I think is just about basic movement and aiming, therefore I don't think it's fair to consider buttons for other stuff at the same time.

I mean, I probably lean to K&M as a preference playing more FPS on PC than console, but I feel from my gamepad use that it works well enough in that environment and when the game is designed for it the results are more or less the same in terms of having a fun game you can enjoy.