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Senlis on 16 December 2009
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Mendicate Bias said:
vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:

So you think the only thing that matters is shooting? Thats like saying the only thing that matters in racing is accelerating, your completely ignoring the other 99 percent of what differentiates skilled players from noobs. I'm not asking this with any animosity but have you ever been to a major FPS tournament?

http://www.mlgpro.com/video?play=294158

Can you look at that video and tell me console shooters take no skill or console pro's suck? Their making tens of thousands of dollars playing video games, if console shooters were so noobish any random person could show up with his buddies and win himself $20,000. That never happens though because the skill gap between pro's and your average player is massive.

Well shooting and learning how t not get shot, also timers on the power ups. That's about it. Which adds up to about acceleration, top speed, and handling in racers.

Also I have seen all the videos you have posted, and I will watch this one. I am willing to bet my left manpart that the one you just linked is somehting you either linked beforehand or somethign new, also displaying as a phlegmatic gameplay as all the other ones you linked.

 

Edit: As I said, unimpressively phlegmatic. I'll find a quick pro or semi-pro players in ut2004 to see difference.

Edit2: Here it is, too tired to look for anything in depth, first tournament kind of play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B-Sr2HF_wM

That's the actual speed, and honestly there is more strategy than just shooting, as you can see. It just takes a ridiculous amount of skill compared to what you showed me.

P.S. That video is normal, my clan used to play Turbo which is +33% speed.

I can watch that video and see that it takes skill and admit it takes skill. However I can also see that the video I linked to also has players with immense skill but you can't. You can not for whatever reason see that the skill sets required for a 4v4 game with different game mechanics is just as great as for your 1v1. Again like all our previous arguments this boils down to a matter of opinion and were not going to change each others views so I'm done.

I don't agree with Vlad on many things, except for this.  It is true that when everyone is playing using the same controls, it really doesn't matter since everyone is on a level playing field.  However, every time I am forced to play a game on a joystick, I think that it just be better on mouse + keyboard.  This is why:

Joysticks are based on an velocity type system.  In other words, the further you push the stick, the faster the screen moves.  To make a precise move, you have to accelerate the joystick until you have achieved sufficient velocity to reach the position in time (before you get shot) and then you have to release the joystick at just the right time to aim where you want to.  That is a lot to deal with in a heavy fire-fight.  How fast should you turn?  If you turn to fast, you won't aim where you want to.  If you aim too slow, you will get shot too much before your crosshairs meet the enemy.

Mouse and Keyboard is based on a positional type system.  You move the mouse, which corresponds directly to movement on the screen.  Simple, and more efficient use of your braincells.

Does simpler and easier mean more noobish? no.  It just means that you can get to intermediate and expert level faster using the mouse and keyboard. Can you think of any sport where a player makes it harder for himself just because it takes more skill to play that way?  No, you don't.  With the keyboard and mouse, I spend less time thinking about my turning and more time about position, cover, etc.

I think many people who claim the joystick is better are just console guys who either can't afford a gaming PC or don't want to work on them.  I won't fault them for that, but stop whining because of your choice.  Enjoy their other features like ease of use and....ease of use.