Do you think animal testing is right?

[Khuutra]

Slimebeast said:

Khuutra said:

I don't think that I do, since immigration issues in Europe often are a racial issue. But again: in this case, you mean speciesist.

You're suggesting that I am prejudiced against animals, but that's not the case - strictly speaking. I simply think of human life as being more intrinsically valuable than the life of any other species.

You can't draw the analogy because it requires acceptance of the idea that black people are to white people as dogs are to humans, which is, uh, absurdly racist unless you think that dog life and human life are basically equivalent.

To the bolded: I don't think lowly of animals. I happen to love them quite a lot. I happen to love humans a lot more, my justification for that being that I am human, and whatever benefits my species tops my priority list. I see human life as intrinsically more valuable than the life of other animals, so trading their lives for human lives is acceptable to me.

Do you see human life as intrinsically more valuable than the lives of other animals?

* Yes and no. It depends on the species. Humans are not intrinsically more valuable than any other mammals. But all mammals are more valuable than fish, who in turn are more valuable than insects.

* But why do you draw the line at species? It's just based on feelings. Whats wrong If I draw the line between humans of different cultures or even races? If I did the same analogy, I would say that I happen to love Scandinavian people a lot more than so therefore that gives me the right to mistreat people who are ??

Just to clarify - the value of human life is roughly equal to that of other mammals?

And I draw the line at species because it's not based on feelings, it's based on a clear-cut dividing line between us and every other sort of creature on the planet, on markd differences that differentiate us from other animals - and, yes, other mammals. I use species because our species is what makes us different, what gives us the ability to act above other animals.

Edit: Bah. Looks like he done got ban't.

Well Slimebeast, if the answer to the first question is yes, I assume that you are vegan, that you have no leather items of clothing or upholstery, that all of your pets are free-range and you would allow them to run away if they so desired (with easy access to paths of escape provided at all times), and that you are against the spaying and neutering of pets for population control's sake. Because, if your answer was yes and you still ate meat and so forth, then by your own system you would be guilty of rough equivalents of cannibalism, the killing and wearing of people, slave ownership, and eugenic castration.

Assuming, of course, that your answer was yes.