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twesterm on 10 December 2009
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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
twesterm said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
 

I think Capcom (Monster Hunter) and Nintendo (Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario) are doing just fine...

Again, SquareEnix may have 'infinite time' but they don't have infinite resources.  Wada has sad multiple times how FFXIII is going to 'make or break' his company.  And frankly, all of these endless ports, spin-offs and remakes of Final Fantasy for the last 5 years has been a desperate stalling tactic by the Square side to buy time until FFXIII came out.

Its pretty sad how Dragon Quest IX sold over 4 million units and probably made SquareEnix a fortune, but FFXIII has a chance to erase all of that with its massive production costs, delays and marketing budget.  Its no wonder Wada is pressuring Yuji Horii to release Drago nQuest X on the Wii by 2012.

You know that bolded part pretty much proves my point?

As for Monster Hunter and Pokemon, I'm sure someone that knows more about RPG's than I do could name 20 failed ones for every wildly successful ones.

Also, Pokemon is barely an RPG and only sells because kids eat it up.  Just like WoW will never be the thing to save PC gaming, Pokemon will never save any genre.  As for Monster Hunter, it's a portable game and portable RPG's generally do better because they're immune to the infinite budget thing since you don't need PSP and DS games to look as amazing as FFXIII.

And Fire Emblen and Paper Mario may both be amazing but how well did they sell?

If the bolded point proves your point, why are you trying to discount handheld titles in comparison to FFXIII?

Also failed Pokemon titles?  SquareEnix would GLADLY trade the sales of the worst Pokemon title for any of their Final Fantasy games.  You do understand how much the Pokemon games sell right....?  They're the best selling JRPG ever.  And yes, they ARE JRPGs.  Saying they are 'barely' RPGs is like saying WoW or Final Fantasy Tactics is 'barely' and RPG.

Also you need to look up information about all the parts I highlighted.  Especially the fact that its not just 'kids' buying Pokemon, the fact that you pretty much proved my point about not one Final Fantasy title not saving the JRPG genre by using WoW as a comparison for 'saving PC gaming' and the fact that there's multiple Monster Hunter games on consoles.

I don't count handhelds because, as I said, they don't need to be flashy.  At the moment, they aren't going to be compared to your flashy HD JRPG's so they can still be made on the cheap and actually succeed.

And where did I say anything about failed Pokemon titles? 

I realize it's not just kids buying Pokemon, that doesn't change the fact it's a kids game.  It is aimed at kids.

And again, how well did those other console RPG's sell?

Paper Mario sold well but that was only because it had the word Mario in the title and it was a launch window title (and don't get me wrong, I love the Paper Mario series).

Fire Emblen didn't do well and didn't make money.  That means it failed.

It looks like Monster Hunter Tri sold nearly a million but Monster Hunter G has only sold 250k so they're about breaking even.  Having one game succeed and another flop so you barely break even isn't reassurring in the least.

Traditional RPG's are a dying breed and that's about that.  They are going to survive, barely, on the handhelds but there isn't a lot of hope for them on the consoles.  Maybe when we get to a point where we can make them cheaper they might come back but right now they take too much time to complete, it costs a shit-ton of money to make, if it isn't a big name it doesn't sell, most people that buy it don't even finish it, it's never going to look as good as Final Fantasy, and it's just a giant risk.

That is one giant recipe for failure.