Metal Gear Solid 2 was amazing!

[Dr.Grass]

d21lewis said:

Dr.Grass said:

d21lewis said:

Seihyouken said:
It's hard to truly appreciate how great Metal Gear Solid 2 was until you've read James Clinton Howell's essay analyzing MGS2 and realize how much the game subconciously played with your mind.

http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/DOTM_TOC.htm

Seriously, after reading all that and having played every game in the series, it's hard to argue that MGS2 isn't by far the greatest game in the series.

The best thing to come out of this thread is this link.  The incite in that article (surprisingly user friendly, too) was very impressive.  If you haven't read it, READ IT!

I read it and I thougt it was stupid.

That guy is just over-philosophizing and pointing out the 'significance' of everything in MGS2. I can also babble on about why exactly I decided to position my couch at a specific distance and angle from my LCD, but the point is if it doesn't sit comfortably then all the philosophy is useless. MGS2 had a lot of finer points to the story but Kojima ruined it with - oh wait lets quote:

Rainbird said:

And you can say whatever you want, but someone being possessed by a hand, a guy running on water and an entire terrorist takeover turinng out to be nothing but a training mission are just some of the things that made me go "Well this is fucking stupid".

There. It was fucking stupid.

The whole series if "fucking stupid" if you get right down to it. 

MGS1:  Raven can control ravens, Ocelot can control bullets, etc.

MGS3:  It rained blood.  A guy got carried off by bees.  Volgin has lightning in his hands

MGS4:  Raiden got both of his arms cut off and was able to wear a trenchcoat! 

 

At the end of the day, the MGS series is pretty much comic book science/logic in video game form.  And personally, I know what makes a good comid AND I know what makes a good game.  Did you read the whole article?  It was a hell of a lot more than just a guy over-philosophizing.  There were some truly great parallels that I didn't pick up on until I read that.  I felt like the guy was being an elitist prick (don't you just HATE guys like that, Dr. Grass?) who thought his personal opinion was so important.  In the end, I understood what he was trying to present.  I was impressed by it.

It seems that you've matured to the point where you can't enjoy a little escapist entertainment.  I pity you.

 

"I felt like the guy was being an elitist prick (don't you just HATE guys like that, Dr. Grass?)"

^^I see what you're doing there.

Ok sure sure, I'm over-reacting because of deep disappointment due to the over-hyping of this game. I was really gutted.

"It seems that you've matured to the point where you can't enjoy a little escapist entertainment.  I pity you."

Not true at all. It's just that in my (and many long time MGS fans) opinion MGS2 just took it too far. The technical aspects of the game were fantastic. I even showed it off to all my friends. But it all just being a VR training mission and the Colonel not being real wasn't an amazing turn of events, it was a disappointment.

I thought MGS1 wasn't nearly as far fetched.

MGS3+4 are fantastic. Kojima's 'practical joke' was just way too much to swallow, even if MGS2 is a 9/10 imo.

My favourite games are Mario/Zelda/Metroid, so you're definitely wrong about me not being able to enjoy escapist entertainment. Samus turns into a ball which is highly unrealistic, but it actully fits into the Metroid universe.