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slowmo on 26 November 2009
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Vexxmania said:
slowmo said:

I'll assume your ridiculous optimism for Bluray was just a joke, I already know the character of poster I'm dealing with when they automatically assume it will take over DVD.  I'm sorry but you're only fooling yourself if you think Bluray as a clear march from here on in.

I never mentioned reliability at all in reference to cheap parts, you seemed to assume that was my point for some mad reason.  I'll accept your apology whenever you're ready on that point.  My argument was they cannot reduce the cost further on many of the internal components anymore, there are no big savings left.

The last time Sony cut the price by $100 they couldn't afford to cut again for 18 months, is it really so hard to believe that will not be the case again?

The supposed price cut you mention was in actual fact a SKU adjustment more than anything else, very similar to the PS3 60GB to 40GB switch, but if you insist on this then we can accept the PS3 has had 3 price cuts already I guess then. 

I didn't watch a video of the slim being stripped, I did it myself (on 5 of them if you must know) and I don't see how any rational being could argue he could tell from a video how flimsy the parts felt in comparison to the fat models.  Sorry but you're in seriously deluded territory on this front.

Microsoft have stated there were not 1 million 360's banned, posting rumour as fact again I see.

The simple reason the 360 sales accelerate when the arcade model is reduced is it increases the cost differential between the cheapest models, if you cant understand this concept then I'm talking to a brick wall.

 

Last but not least how about a wager, I'll bet you $1000 the PS3 gets beaten in overall sale from September 2010 to the last week of December 2010.  I don't know why I bother offering you the bet though as you'll leave the site when the PS3 sales fall behind the 360, posters like you always do.

You're ignoring the reality of what is happening in the format world. With every passing day, the DVD format becomes less and less enticing as people are beginning to think of it as outdated technology. Guess you're the kind who has to see something to believe it.

You'd be mad to think that Sony's never going to cut the price of the PS3 again. Why would you even want to use that as an argument? Sure, you might think the PS3's compenents look cheap, but the point of the slim was to cut production costs and that's what Sony's done. And you do realise that Sony can lower the production costs even further without changing any of it components, right? Those "cheap" parts will become even cheaper to produce over time, allowing room for a price cut. It's quite simple really.

Well good for you for taking a slim apart. You must be very proud of your accomplishment.

And the fact that a million (or close to) 360's have been banned from Live is no rumour. Take a look for yourself (this site really needs to add Firefox support): http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49304244,00.htm

You might as well look up so more info regarding the 360 while you're at it: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49304288,00.htm. That's shoking news, it might be even worse than in the US. I feel sorry for those who buy this product without knowing of its problems. Then there's this: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029441,49304376,00.htm.

If you're willing to make that bet, then your devotion to Natal is much worse than I feared. I'm not going to take you up on that, because you provide no evidence to support your unbelievably bold claim. We shall see how this unfolds.

First and foremost let me educate you on the ban situation which you seem to think you can dig out of your false facts:

http://venturebeat.com/2009/11/19/microsofts-xbox-live-chief-on-banning-modders-and-browsing-facebook-photos-on-tv/

Specifically in that interview you may want to see the part where Marc Whitten who is the general manager of Xbox Live says the following:

MW: It’s a cat and mouse game. These were people that were pirating software. We try to keep sanctity of life from a safety and anti-cheating perspective and we protect our partners. We didn’t release the number. I cannot explain to you why people would think it was a million people. It wasn’t a million people. Check the veracity of that claim. It was one news source.

Ok thats your first inaccuracy cleared up.  Moving onto Bluray, I own a PS3 and have watched plenty of Blurays but I'm an enthusiast not a regular customer.  The vast majority of people I speak to are perfectly happy with DVD and the shelf space assigned to DVD still backs this up.  Bluray has probably a 50/50 chance of not being a niche product for now.  I think Bluray could and should take over but its not me you have to convince its the vast majority of people who aren't bothered right now.  Maybe in another 3-5 years when HDTV adoption is even higher it could be a success, personally speaking I don't see that affecting console sales this generation to the extent you do.  You're welcome to your opinion on this but given its not massively affected the market up till now I doubt its the huge draw you think it is. 

I took a slim apart for work, we needed to look at the insides as I work in a console repair centre.  I don't make a habit of opening consoles for the fun of it.  I don't know why you needed to be sarcastic though, bitter because you knew your last comment on watching a video was silly?

I never said the PS3 wouldn't get another price cut, you're trying to put words in my mouth yet again to offset your weak arguments.  Stick to the facts of what I did say not what you think I said please.  Do you think Sony can price cut again inside of 18 months, if so fair play and call me on that point!

I'm not even going to bother clicking on your links if the best you can do to try and backup your poor debate is to spread FUD about the 360 and troll on its well known issues.  I don't see the relevance to our discussion, its off topic and almost certainly posted to try and get a rise from people. 

I'm pretty sure I didn't write the 360's comeback relied on Natal.  All I referenced was the fact I thought it would be a value bundle next year, mainly to offset the cheaper bundles that are loss leaders.  Are you once again trying to put words in my mouth?  Seriously, if you cannot be bothered to read my replies then don't respond at all. 

What bold claim did I make with no evidence by the way?  Do you want me to provide evidence of an opinion?