masterb8tr said:
ironman said:
masterb8tr said:
ironman said:
masterb8tr said:
this is the part that is most likely illegal. Lol it would be so much easier to explain if you knew norwegian:p And yes they havent been found guilty yet:P but they most likely will, if the "investigators" statements are anything to go by.
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Can you give me a link to the law they are breaking? Because it is a screwed up law if what you are saying is true (and I suspect MS is still within the confines of it)
Anyway, typos happen, don't hold it against me *cries*
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hehe "forbrukerkjøpsloven" and "avtaleloven", let me guess that didnt help did it:p? Anyway, they are not convicted yet:P so we will just have to wait and see:P. And even if they are, the fine would be by no means a threat to MS:p
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So, where is the law that MS is supposibly breaking by updating their firmware to exclude memory cards over 512 MB?
So far your mod chip analogy fails because it is not against any laws to use a mod chip, it is not against any laws to flash it with linux. It is illegal to flash it with modifies MS firmware (in the US) and it is against the terms of use for XBL. If you agree tio the terms of use, then your console gets banned from XBL because of the mod chip, well, you agreed to let MS do that to you. And guess what? you can mod your console and not go onto XBL and guess what, nobody is going to stop you from using your 360 the way you want to.
And your cell phone analogy fails because cellphone firmware and game console firmware are very differant animals. The way in which both can be utilized is very different.
So would you care to explain yourself further? or do you admit defeat?
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Let just get one thing clear: They ARE being investegated for breaking the law. So can we at least agree that what they are doing might not be legal according to Norwegian law??? "forbrukerkjøpsloven" as i refered to earlier is a law meant to protect the best interest of the seller and the customer. Basically i own what i buy, i get what i pay for ect. When i purchase a product, i've established a verbal contract with the salesman/and the maker of the product. "avtaleloven" is a law about contracts ect. According to it a one-sided change in the contract cant be done without justified cause.
Let's get something straight, Just because MS is being investigated by some company with a major case of butthurt, does not mean that MS is breaking any laws.
Heres a scenario:
I buy a 360. When i buy the 360 it can play dantels memorycards and has the ability to install games.
Something that MS obviously never intended the consumer to be able to do. Plus, one can still use third party hardware, it just has to be the standard 256 MB, On can also refuse the firmware update.
I mod the 360, i have every right to do so, according to norwegian law. I dont download pirated stuff.
This is true in the US.
I find out i want to play online. I decide to pay for the xbox live service.
I've broken the terms of use because of my mod. I get banned from xbox live. Microsoft has every right to do so.
But microsoft wants to stop pirates, so they include some code in their firmware that makes dantels memorycards uselss. Also since they detected a modchip they remove the ability to install game.
To be fair, if you are using a moded copy of the MS firmware (and you most likely are if you are saving games to the HD), you are violating copyright laws, so MS has every right to take away the privilage you had.
I have done nothing illegal, yet microsoft has removed some of the features I paid for.
Yes, you have, if you are using a modified version of the MS firmware for your mod chip, you are breaking the law.
Microsoft has made a one-sided change in my verbal contract. The question is was the change done with justified cause?
The underlinded is whats being investigated.
Do you understand now?
No, I don't understand why you are arguing this point when you obviously are using a copy of MS fiormware which was pirated, and then modified. You agreed to use the console in the way it was intended by purchasing it, when you violate that agreement, MS has every right to violate their end of the agreement to force you to withold your end.
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