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Onimusha12 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Onimusha12 said:

With all the consoles they have to replace and will have to replace that's just well wishing.

You didn't hear about how Microsoft already earmarked a billion for those repairs, in the last fiscal year?

Sony also said they'd sell five million PS3's without any games. Sony says alot of things and they've made alot of claims that they'd start turning a profit yet have not given us a single bit of evidence to coroborate that claim, they've done nothing but make vague and unconfirmable boasts that in lieu of their history of broken promises and empty claims does little to bolster confidence. If Sony was anywhere near turning things around they wouldn't be scrambling to liquidate assets and selling off factories to cope with the loss their gaming division is bringing on them. It's naive well-wishing for anyone to think Sony is anywhere near turning a profit or in any position to make things right.

I didn't claim they were near turning a profit. I just pointed out that if they don't cut prices any further, they would stop losing money when volume goes up.

No, the PSP is not profitiable, at least not enough to justify its continuation, and the free services it offers more than hinder any hardware sales profits. And like so many others you mistakenly think Hardware sales are all that matter. While the PSP has decent Hardware sales, its Software sales are non-existant, the PSP is an abismal failure, its software attach rates are arguably the worst of any console in known history.

Not profitable enough? The system isn't costing the company money. That's certainly profitable enough. And I did NOT state that the PSP's hardware sales are all that matter. Its game sales may be low for how the system is selling, but they are selling a lot better than you claim, and the games are not flopping, unlike the PS3.

Both, and either way the Sony is losing ground at an astonishing rate in other markets just to compensate for the dilemma of the PS3. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

I don't disagree they are losing groud. That's just not the same as being in dire straights.

And that expansion can be fed back into other markets that have much more viable futures than console gaming currently holds for them.

You donl't know what furture console gaming holds for them. And expansion can't be "fed back". It's money that can be fed back, but expansion is used to get that money.

That is possible, but looking at Microsoft's other fringe markets, conservative is a word not native to their lexacon.

Gaming is not a fringe market for them. That's what you don't get. Gaming has been more profitable than movie box office for years (or a about the same, if you include DVD). You honestly think Microsoft doesn't want an actual piece of the pie?

The PC market doesn't need to be growing. Microsoft could force it to grow by forcing their Xbox lineage into it just like they forced their way into console gaming to begin with. With the direction MS is taking Console gaming, PC gaming would be the logical next step, consoles have only been a hinderance for MS's gaming. You expect Microsoft to just keep making consoles more and more identicle to PCs yet expect you to buy them in adition to the PC you already own? My advice is more than sound, but it is speculatory I will admit and there is plenty of room to question it.

The market doesn't need to grow? That's not how the busines world works. And forcing into a business is not the same as making an existant on grow.

Plus how is the console market hindering PC gaming?



 


I respect your optimism

It's not optimism. I'm pointing out the facts. If you knew my post history, you'd know I go for facts, not optimism.

and I'm sure you thought you had many good points, but all you've really done is provide questionable benefit of the doubt for contrary arguments.

You not agreeing with them doesn't me I provided questionalbe doubt to the very arguments I made. That makes no logical sense.

I won't accost you for having a varying opinion, but I remain umimpressed by the arguments you've provided.

Not when you got all the facts wrong:

Assuming Microsoft's system repairs haven't already been taken care of.

Not knowing what I actually wrote about the PS3, and what Sony could do.

Assuming the PSP isn't "profitable enough".

Making bad assumptions about how businesses work. 

 

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