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Why is it i never have any of those updates issues, what the hell do some of you download on to the hdd to mess it up so badly.

OP If you are out of warranty you pay, simple fact in life. I got to pay $1000 for a new clutch, Toyota sure as hell wont pay that for me.

MS did not own up to anything, they never said what exactly was wrong and how they fixed it, and its still an issue.