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highwaystar101 said:

I think I'm beginning to see why many Americans are Libertarian or right wing. 


I like the idea of keynesian economics, as do many Europeans. A mixed economy, where the various areas of the economy are either public or private, depending on which is the most efficient and effective. Like most of the Europeans liberals on this site I think I've always assumed that American government efficiency =/= European governments efficiency. When this is clearly not the case.


I'm not trying to offend Americans, I'm really not, I'm just being honest. But I can see why so many don't want their government take control of something like healthcare because they can't see the government doing it well.


I'm not saying the European countries are perfect in any way (quite frankly I think the UK police force is criminally inefficient). But it seems like we trust our governments to take control of something like healthcare because we can see them doing it to an effective standard. I think this is where the difference lies.


In which case the US government need to pull it's finger out of its arse and start doing things more efficiently. I don't think I blame Americans for opposing the healthcare reform as much now, because they essentially see it as a promise the government can't keep because it is too inefficient.

Oh yeah, the American government is a lot less efficent then most europeon ones.  In general they just need to find a way so special interests don't get as much pull.  Perhaps switch to government funded elections.  The pull of the teachers union for example is why we keep throwing money at schools rather then reforms.  One of the more powerful special interest groups in the US, not only do they have a lot of votes in like every state, but they're influencing out children and the way they vote in the future.

 

Additionally a lot of illegal immigrants are also on welfare... lots use medicaid.  Illegal immigrants move over here... have a child.  Bam.  They're illegal immigrants... but their child is a legal citizen of the United States of America.  As such their household qualfies for Welfare... i guess something like 1.4 million illegal immigrant households use welfare.  I guess you could change the law so that only children born of people here legally become citizens.

Stuff like Medicaid too often works on a "declration of citizenship."  Basically they ask you if your a citizen, then as for a SS #... and you could say 123-457-7890 and you'd get treatment in most states.  Doctors can question citizenship if they really want... but why?  Your just costing yourself money, and opening yourself up to lawsuits and claims of racial profiling.

Still... the question is... is it moral to NOT do things this way.  Sure they're here illegally, but does that mean we should deny them support?  I mean, criminals in jail get healthcare, food and education (In some states at least.)

Also, would we really be better off pooling the money towards legal citizens only... having large numbers of poor, starving uneducated illegal immigrants around our streets? 

Illegal Immigration in the US posses seems to provide nothing but "No-win" situations.