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ckmlb said:
HappySqurriel said:
ckmlb said:
HappySqurriel said:
ckmlb said:
Yet some people will tell you that these people should be paying more in taxes and the rich should pay less, so it's 'fair' or a flat tax as it's called.

I don't think many people who are for a flat tax are for anyone paying higher taxes ... Now if you want to see the value of government run social programs compared to lower taxes you should compare and contrast how well off people are in California and Texas.

Well off by what standard? If you mean the state is in debt I don't deny that but so is the federal government.

I doubt you could make a strong argument that people are better off in California ...

Can you tell me in what way are they worse off? I'm guessing you live in Texas?

How about California has an unemployment rate that is over 12%, and 33% of employers expect to lay people off in 2010?

What about prisons becomming so over-crowded that California is being forced to release prisoners?

California has become a nightmare of increasing government taking creating higher deficits and higher taxes, which forces productive individuals and companies out of the state, which pushes the government to have higher deficits and higher taxes.

I don't live in either state, but California is a high profile disaster that is becomming well known around the world.