Xbox Live Smashes Mass Banhammer on Pirates

[Alby_da_Wolf]

twesterm said:

KylieDog said:

twesterm said:

KylieDog said:

twesterm said:

FKNetwork said:

binary solo said:
Is the 360 that badly designed that is regularly ruins discs? I have never...never heard of or experienced disc damage caused by the device. And that's DVD players, PCs, CD players, PS, PS2, XB1. But all of a sudden 360 causes all manner of disc damage that necessitates the widespread modding of the console to preserve original game discs in playable condition. All sounds rather unlikely.

Believe it or not yes, they are known to damage discs but i'm also talking about discs in general, most of my discs end up getting damaged if i forget to put them back in the case or they fall on the floor, even when I clean them I sometimes end up marking them, my retail COD 4 disc no longer even loads as it is marked badly, if i want a replacement from MS it will cost me £22.50 if i send the damaged one back!

And yeah, I know a LOT of people only flash 360's to play pirate games but there are also a lot of people that do only flash them to play backups of games they actually own, look on xbox-scene for example, they don't allow any talk of piracy and 80% of members there only flash their 360's for LEGAL purposes, hard to believe I know but it does happen!

What?  Stop lying.  I was willing to entertain that you could possibly be telling the truth in your previous post but now you're just majorly stretching the truth.

The 360 *can* damage discs if you move the console while the disc is in the drive.  So unless you turn your 360 on and then just start carrying it around the house in which case you're an idiot (which I don't think you are), I just don't believe you.

Sorry, but you again fit into the bullshit artist pirate.  You can rant and rant how you're an honest pirate and just playing back ups because somehow your 360 and all your friends 360's break discs like crazy but I just won't believe you.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems#Scratched_discs

I'm not sure if you just didn't read the link you posted to or if you're trying to back me up...

 

I suggest you read it again, the parts about tests being performed and producing scratched discs especially.

I read the rest of that and I still say that is not a widespread problem in any way at all, if it were it would come up every time someone made a RRoD joke.  I'm sure there are consoles that scratch discs but it's still hardly a reason to justify "backing up" every game and playing your back ups.

I still absolutely call bullshit on FKNetworks claims.  Unless he's constantly moving around his 360 while playing games, I highly doubt his discs get scratched that often.

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Also, we know that MS has been great about admitting their mistakes and taking care of them.  They acknowledged peoples claims, investigated, and didn't find a problem so that's pretty much enough for me.  For other companies I would be a bit more skeptical, but MS has shown that at least this gen they are willing to step up to their mistakes.

Sorry, but unless you prove FKN is a pirate, it's his words against yours. And if you live in a civilized country, it should apply in such cases the principle "in dubio pro reo", presumption of innocence.

Edit: I read now he admits some downloads, but again, you can't prove every copy is a pirated one and not a fair use backup one.

This said, we can say that against FKN and other people using copies there is the fact that the problem is very uncommon unless XB360 is moved while the disk is spinning. But in their favour there are more facts: fair use allows backup copies, damages can happen whenever you handle discs, and, specifically for XB360, scratches happened without moving the console are rare, but still under investigation and MS has been up until now very greedy and unfriendly towards legit games owners with scratched discs. MS policy about this is to blame users unless forced otherwise by local laws or court rulings, it's clearly written in Kylie's link. Were MS as good about scratched discs as it is about RRoD fixing, the problem wouldn't exist.

Edit: This said, on my PC I use original CD's and DVD's, but my two Sony DVD burners, on the old and new PC, never scratched one, they run silent and smooth, while the old LG CD-R/RW, that kept on spinning CD's at 48X even when vibrations were excessive and it seemed an helicopter, slightly scratched some, but they were still readable.