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this is the type of argument I've had a simple 2 cents on before, KZ2 looks really nice because it was in development for a very long time, the same can be said about GT5, which is even longer lolz. it better look and play better than forza3, or all that time will have been wasted. GT5P does look better than FM3 in screen shots, but I doubt it plays better, but when GT5 comes, prolly game over.