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my entire argument has ignored that? I wasn't arguing that they weren't estimates, I've outright stated that much. You're just trying to pick a fight where there isn't one. I didn't say Media Create or any other video game tracker was 100 percent accurate, including VGchartz. What I did say is that sometimes ioi adjusts the data and if three of the 4 major trackers agree on something I tend to side with the majority and it's not biased to do so. So I've addressed the points, I've actually bought them up in when responding to your question of why would they be using any other site than VGchartz. In the end I wasn't asking you because you're not ioi, Zorro or anyone else involved in the bet. Just a really annoying cheerleader that seems to want to start trouble for no reason.