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ironman said:
JerCotter7 said:
ironman said:
JerCotter7 said:
ironman said:
JerCotter7 said:
ironman said:

FACT: Even XBL uses servers to match people together, you are paying to use those servers (along with other fun little things that come with Gold) Even free Xbox linking programs like XBC use servers to network Xbox's together as a P2P network. What you though that just magically happened? Besides, if paying for the live services are a crime, so is paying for online porn and video streaming services, after all, they all make you pay to use the internet that you already purchase.

I'm pretty sure PSN uses servers too. Don't quote me on that. And you really gotta get a better argument than the video streaming. You're not paying for the streaming. You're paying for the video. If you bought the video then gave it to them and then they charged you it would be the same thing. That being said I would pay for Live if I had a 360 so it doesn't really matter to me. But just get a better argument for it than that.

XD what? I never said PSN didn't use servers, everybody does. Anyway, Video streaming is a perfect argument, you are right that you are paying for the video, but you are also paying for the streaming service.

The way I read it sounded like you were saying that Live uses servers so that's why there is a charge. And since PSN is free it doesn't use servers. Sorry about that. I just think you could find an argument to fit it better than the video streaming one.

ok, shoot!

I would use petrol as an example. Just because you payed for the car, tires and insurance and whatever else you still have to pay for petrol to use the main "feature" of the car. You can sit in it all you want but to drive it you gotta pay that extra charge.

 

Sorry not so great but I just came up with it off the top of my head haha.

I have heard that one used, it's ok, but the streaming services and the porn sites are more relevant. You pay a company so you can use your internet connection to watch a movie, or view porn. How is that any differant than paying a company so you can use your internet conncetion to play online with other people.

Let's simplify it even more,

Streaming/porn: Pay a company so you can use their service.

XBL: Pay a company so you can use their service.

But oh wait...you can't do either without paying for an internet connection!

"Awww crap. Streaming, porn, and XBL are all ripping me off because I already have to pay for my internet service, why should I pay them for the ability to use my internet service!!!"

 

See when I pay for something I don't think of the charge as being for streaming. I think of what I'm actually buying when I'm paying for it. IF I payed for porn I wouldn't be thinking about the streaming charge when I'm paying for it. I would be eagerly thinking about the porn I will be watching. So that's why I used petrol as an example. When I personally pay for petrol all I can think of is how much of a ripoff it is. Same thing as the live charge. But either way you have to pay for it and it gets the results you want so you can be happy with it.

 

BTW: This is from a PS3 owner so I'm kind of talking out my ass about live since I have only ever played it on another person's account and not for long. And I also don't pay for porn. Not while it's also available for free.