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Icyedge on 22 October 2009
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ironman said:
Icyedge said:
ironman said:
Euphoria14 said:
ironman said:
Euphoria14 said:

It means I pay for Optimum Online and other than that, I wouldn't pay for anything else. I have Triple Play package so to be honest I am not entirely sure on what the cost is, but Internet + TV + Phone = $170/month. It hurts after a while. I honestly have MUCH better things to spend my money on now than video game online gaming that should be completely free.

 

What did you think it meant?

lol, ok I thought you were going down the road of paying for gaming online is a ripoff because you already pay for your internet.

That is precisely why I won't pay for online gaming.

So I was right, that argument is utter fail.

I look at it like this. I would pay Netflix $10/month to rent movies through the mail. Instant view is added in as a basic part of your package, nothing extra needing to be paid, unless of course you use a 360 to use it. BD players do not charge for it, streaming it through my PS3 also costs me nothing, my PC connection does not require extra charges for it. Why does MS charge me for it?

Instant view is another package, you can either rent one DVD at a time for five bucks, or rent one and get instant Que for 8 bucks. MS doesn't charge you for your internet connection, you cannot use ANY online service, pay or not, without first obtaining an internet connection. To say that MS is charging you twice for the same internet connection is...well...hipocrtitical since you don't bitch and moan about having to pay for other services. and let';s be honest, thats all live is, a service.

I bought Diablo 2 for $40 and I got to play it for 4 straight years for free. I got to play Guildwars for free. I got to play Starcraft for free. I got to play Smash Bros for free. I got to play TF2 on PS3 for free, but not free on XBox360? This is a "WTF?" situation for me and I don't care what anyone else's take is on the situation.

So be it, but at least use an argument that doesn't fail as much as the aformentioned one.

If Sony charged me in the same way, I would dump their online service worse than a bad habit and you can quote me on that. Paying for a service that has been free for well over a decade is just flat out bullshit, especially when what they offer is barely above what others offer, especially in the gaming department. Facebook? Last FM? Netflix? Who cares? PS3/Wii browsers get me the first two products free of charge and for the third, there are no additional costs beyond that product's $10+/month subscription fee.

So what? You want to play games that are only on the 360 online with your friends who don't have a PS3, then suck it up and pay the $38.99 a year. If not, fine, that's your perogative, but to me, paying for Live is not bullshit, it is worth it because of those two things, then you add on the extras, well hey, great, even better. Sure, I could use a free service like XBC to network with other people, but let's be honest, it sucks compaired to Live (this coming from a guy who swore he would never pay for live as long as there was XBC)

What makes LIVE so special? The fact that it uses the same internet connection I already pay $60/month for to host the games I also already paid for? 

No, you are paying to be NETWORKED to your friends, as I said before, If you use any video streaming site that requires you to pay for their service, and if you visit porn sites that require you to pay, are you not also using the same internet connection you already pay $60.00 a month for? See how utterly rediculouse that argument is. You were doing fine up till you uttered those failed words...

Doesn't seem fair to me.

 

Your view may be different, but mine most definitely isn't.

 

Sorry for the rant. I'm am just not a fan at all when it comes to pay-to-play gaming. Want to pay to play? Let me get the game for free to start with.

 

 

The only problem I see is that paying to be connected with your friends through a dedicated server seems right to me. But the fact that you absolutely need to be connected to this to play online multiplayer doesnt make sense. A company that do that has no righteousness and wanna milk some money easily since it doesnt required investment to link console together though the internet. When you purchase a game, you purchase the full game, the cost to develop the online/offline multiplayer is include in the selling price of the game. Unless the company wanna keep investing in the game, add quest, have moderators etc charging a fee to play online is only to milk money and profit from the customers that have your system and wanna play online with their friends. Charging for something that cost nothing should not be encourage.

No, it does not cost nothing, they do have servers that match people together. do you honestly think that when you log oonto Xbox live and go into matchmaking that your xbox magically finds other players to connect with? Also may I point out that there are several free services for Xbox and Xbox 360 users, one of them is XBC, I used it for several years before I experianced Live. Just because the compeditors offer it for free does not mean it really is free. Somewhere down the line somebody is paying for it.

 

If you understand my opinion correctly im not agaisnt charging to be part of a network that will let users exchange things, downloads video, demo etc. But it should be 2 different things, you should be able to play your game online even if you dont pay for XBL. But im pretty sure that Micro$oft as a company doesnt care for either the person or gaming in general.

See, now, I disagree, and yet I agree with that statement. I don't like that MS charges me to play whith other people while the compeditors do not charge, but at the same time, I understand that is does cost something, and the srvice is good enough that I am willing to pay $38.99 a year for it.

 

@ Euphoria, I am not saying you are wrong in not wating to play to pay, I am just pointing out how shallow that argument about paying for internet so everything that uses the internet should be free. Netflix was just one example. what about other movie streaming sites that offer an online service that you have to pay for...are they ripping you off because you have to pay them to use your internet? What about porn sites? You do realize there are free alternatives to those as well, and yet, I never hear anybody bitching about paying for any of that.

@Greyian, there are free altrenatives like XBC so your argument is moot.

 

Sorry but online multiplayer doesnt take a special network, it only takes internet. So once your paying for internet you should in fact be good to play online multiplayer (im not talking about playstation store or xbl store). Euphoria has a good logic behind is argument since he was specifically talking of online multiplayer. There is no excuse for a company to act like that, if they wanna charge for online multiplayer they should host the game on their server, if not then leave the online multiplayer separate from xbl or psn.