Honest question do you think we're in twilight of this current generation?

[68soul]

Avinash_Tyagi said:

68soul said:

Avinash_Tyagi said:

 

PS3 and 360 motion controls wont succeed, Sony and MS will be forced to launch new consoles.

Why does nintendo need anything new, sales show that it doesn't people prefer Wii over PS3 and 360, even now, Wii HD isn't needed, because consumers don't care

Nintendo doesn't need the 3rd party library of the PS3 and 360, in fact its games outsell third party titles

 

I don't agree, and will try to explain why without being too long...

First, i don't care personally about PS360 motion controls, just like i don't care about PS360 in general... but i don't think these new devices will go unnoticed in the industry, so new games will be made for these...

These new control methods will never have the same userbase as the wiimote, that's for sure, but they will have some success, and development teams will need some time to make really good games for these... you just can't tell them after a year or two: it's already too late, your games have to be ported to our next gen console... doesn't make any sense economically, and if Sony and Microsoft want to have a good relantionship with 3rd parties, it would be a total lack of respect...

Then, as you can see in my sig, i personally don't care about HD, and i don't want the "Wii HD" right now, i'm happy with what i have when it comes to the hardware... but... on the software side, Wii is missing a lot of gems, and the overall quality of many titles could be easily improved with a more powerful hardware... many "avid" gamers do care about such things, and these people are the ones buying 10/20 games a year, while most "casuals" (don't like the word, but anyway) only buy a couple of games each year...

Now, you're right, 41 of the 50 best selling games this gen do appear on Nintendo consoles... and the Top 10 is only made of Nintendo 1st party games... but if NEARLY ALL the best games released on PS360 could easily get ported to Wii, then the console would be a "real" market leader, just like PS2 was the gen before... PS360 would then just have a few exclusives each year to become differentiated, and most important, Wii would have a big enough "core userbase" to convince all the 3rd parties around the world to make high budgets games for it...

Which means more excellent games for us, and even more choice: and that's why i care... it's all about the games, not about the hardware or the graphics themselves...

 

They wont go unnoticed in the industry, but the industry is not consumers, consumers won't care unless it can give an experience that trumps the Wii, so far there is no evidence of that

Wii is missing a lot of games that don't really cater to the mass market, most consumers don't care about uncharted or FF13, or even Halo, and if it were true that people weren't buying Wii games, then why does Wii push far more software and have comparable attach rates?

Nintendo would lose a lot of profit trying to chase after those games, for little benefit, in terms of sales and software profits, plus it would alienate a lot of Wii owners who wouldn't want to update so soon.

 

The people who will care about these new controllers and will make these successful (or not) will be the actual PS360 owners, people who didn't want to touch a "casual" or "outdated" console like Wii, and didn't believe in motion controls so far... but now that it's available for their favourite machine, they will just go crazy about it...

And don't forget that PS360 have still some "userbase growth" left: the elitist price has kept many people away from PS3 (not so true for 360), but if now, some newcomers have to make a choice, the PS360 and Wii will be in direct competition, more so than ever before... if the motion controls in PS360 are good (and they should be, Sony and Microsoft are not that stupid), with the prices now closer, and with all the other features PS360 already have, Wii may loose its momentum quite easily...

Now, the mass market don't care for most of these "hardcore" games, that may be true... but don't forget that it's always the "avid gamers" who are the most important customers: the attach rate for the Gamecube was higher than the ones of PS2 and Xbox, nearly 10 games sold for each Gamecube... not because of the huge and very diverse library, we all know that, but because the "core" Nintendo fanbase buys A LOT of games (and more often, a lot of 1st party games, first and foremost): something many people do forget...

But that "core" userbase hasn't changed much: we're still only 10-15 millions, while the rest of the Wii's userbase are kids, families, casuals, newcomers, fitness girls, soccer moms, etc, etc... i have nothing against these people, i find it great that everyone may find games for their own tastes, and that everyone may be happy with a Wii: but the good Wii attach rate do exist because of people like US, people who buy 10/20 games a year, if not more... the average attach rate is higher thanks to the people you meet here, or everywhere on the net... while the "mass market" buys (massively) only a couple or a handful of titles each year, like Wii Fit or Mario Kart...

And to attract the "real", "core", "avid" gamers, and have an EVEN BETTER attach rate, Nintendo needs to have most of the best games released each year ALSO on Wii, in EVERY genre... it's the only way to have decent sales for 3rd parties, otherwise, the 1st party will be the only BIG hits, while 3rd parties will have some moderate "niche" success, and maybe some hits, but with sports and music games only...

If you want a Wii put in a large but very limited "sports and music" niche, while all the action/adventures, RPGs, FPS go to the competition, good for you, but that's not what i want... and btw, you're slightly hypocritical, or you contradict yourself: in another thread, i've just readed you wrote "We want quality games to come to Wii"... and now, you're telling me that because Wii is supposed to be a "mass market" console, the Wii owners don't care for all the other quality games out there? Just as if we all want to play the same games, or we may all be happy with the poor efforts actually made for that brand new "mass market"... with a few exceptions, of course: but not everyone has the talent of the Nintendo teams, even for "casual" games like Wii Fit or Wii Sports Resort... and i don't even mention Zelda or Metroid or Mario, of course...