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griffinA on 19 October 2009
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outlawauron said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
outlawauron said:
68soul said:
Ari_Gold said:
Quality does not sell very well on the wii

"Quality" is a very sujective notion... plus, there are many records, many books, many movies that may be considered "quality"... but EVEN if like me, you like many types of music and listened to thousands and thousands of records, it doesn't mean you're gonna buy ALL the quality records out there... you just don't have enough time (and money) to discover and enjoy them with one life only...

So, everyone has different tastes, and everyone has a limited time, and everyone has a limited budget: games cost a lot of money, and there are way too many games released each year... so ALL quality games won't sell millions, just like ALL quality recordings won't sell millions, etc, etc...

And to get back on the "quality" on Wii: most 1st party games are AAA quality, so the light trolling here don't do justice to the Wii crowd... if 3rd parties efforts were usually better, many people would trust their names the same way they trust Nintendo's name: great quality, and incredible value for the price you've paid...

In this case: an on-rail shooter with what? 5-8 hours of gameplay? No online? Decent graphics, decent story, great atmosphere... in the end, good but not incredible reviews, for a franchise not really famous, and not even that succesfull yet, even on an HD console with way more sci-fi and shooters fans? And all that for a full 50 euros/dollars price? And it's supposed to sell like madness? C'mon, EA, give me a break...

I want to support the games i really like, but game makers can't force me to buy their games, even if they are "quality"...

And even if 80% of Wii owners are supposed to be "casuals", not interested in "hardcore" games, there's still a 20% userbase, which means 10-11 millions of people (and that's still very low when compared to the Cube userbase), who ARE avid gamers, who KNOW what's a "quality" game, and who COULD be potential buyers...

But we just can't buy ALL the games on Wii, ALL the games on DS, ALL the games on X360, ALL the games on PS3, ALL the games on PSP, ALL the games on Wiiware, ALL the games on Live, ALL the games on iPod... and i don't even mention ALL the records, ALL the mangas, ALL the movies, etc, etc, etc, you get the idea... but you just can't blame Wii itself for that situation...

Not entirely. A good game is a still a good game whether you or I like it.

Whether you enjoy or have fun with the game is what's completely subjective.

So is it possible for somebody to make a very good game that nobody enjoys?

Not really, but it's possible for someone to make a good game that you don't like.

There are certain games or series that I don't like, but I know they're well made and of high quality.

I beg to differ. What one person views as a game's "quality" could easily be viewed by another person as that game's shortcoming.

Example: Metal Gear Solid's emphasis on storytelling could be viewed as a revolutionary breakthrough in how we play games or it could be viewed as a distraction from the real reason people play video games: for the gameplay.

 

Who decides if a game is objectively good or quality?



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