Slimebeast said:
ManusJustus said:
Slimebeast said:
Kasz216 said:
Christanity has some elementry beliefs NOW.
Christianity was not always so. Christanity used to be one of the most diverse religions out there until it was mainstraimed and widdled down by the romans itno an exact "Roman" way of christanity by mans hands.
Most of these core beliefs were made so then. Including creationism.
You shouldn't be so angry at people who wish to undue some of the harm the Roman empire has done to Christanity.
The only REAL core christian belief is that Jesus died for peoples sins as a martyr... a symbol of god accepting us despite us mostly using freewill to be selfish, prideful dicks.
Even Jesus' divinity wasn't a core christian principle until after the romans took over.
The community was actually split fairly even to that fact. The Divinity folks winning out mostly because it would play better with people. Rome having a fine history of demi-gods already.
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Wow, I didn't expect this from you Kasz. I didn't know u had such a distorted view of the early Church history with the Church fathers, and Christianity's first couple of hundred of years.
Someone needs to address the untrue claims you make, but I can't be bothered with it at the moment cos I'm off playing Quake Wars in a moment.
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Kasz is 100% accurate. Christianity was very diverse before the Romans centralized the religion.
Marcionism
Marcionism rejects the entire Hebrew Bible, and declared that the God of the Hebrew Bible was a lesser demiurge, who had created the earth, but was the source of evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism
Monarchianism
Emphasize God as being one person and the only ruler of his kingdom. The term "Monarchians" or "Monarchists" was given to Christians who defended the "monarchy" of God in a reaction against the Logos theology of Justin Martyr and the apologists, who had spoken of Jesus as a "second god.
http://.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchianism
Adoptionism
Belief that Jesus was born merely human and that he became divine later in his life. By these accounts, Jesus earned the title Christ through his sinless devotion to the will of God, thereby becoming the perfect sacrifice to redeem humanity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism
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I am very aware of those, but there's some diversity in all ideologies and religions (communism, socialism, capitalism, islam, hinduism, Cristianity, konfucianism etc).
First you gotta quanitfy the impact and relevance of those branches if you're gonna make an argument (they were small). And Kasz is completelt wrong in saying it wasn't until Roman influense in the 4th century that Christianity was unified. Even Paul and John in the NT itself are warning about gnosticism. The Canon was set in the 2nd century already. Etc.
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They were not small, an example Marcion of Sinope (founder of Marcionism) had a large following. They were not unified in the second century, and example being Paul of Samosata (supporter of adoptionism) whose teachings flourished in the first millenia.
