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I haven't seen this point brought up yet and I apologize if I'm repeating an opinion that has already been expressed but just how big a system seller will Forza 3 be? I think with all the great reviews combined with the holiday season combined with the GT5 players tired of waiting for GT5 itself I think it will push some consoles. Especially in EU. Why wait 5 months for a racing sim that may not be any better than Forza 3 which is out now? Especially when its available for the holidays. The time people actually have some spending money.