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The majority of responses on this page of the tread seem to be talking about how Blu-Ray is going to win the HD format war, how Toshiba may not be making money, etc. But that has nothing to do with the OP. His post was not about Whether HD-DVD was better than Blu-Ray or that HD DVD would win the format war so all these responses seem irrelevant and off topic. His point was that including a Blu-Ray drive was bad for PS3. This forced a delay to its release which meant 360 got a head start which has clearly helped with third party publishers. It also increased the price of the console rediculously which has resulted in low sales for PS3. There is no way Blu-Ray can be said not to be bad for PS3 and if Sony fan boys can't see that then you are so blinded by your love for Sony that I almost feel sorry for you. Sony will in all probability win the HD format war but that is at the expense of the console format war.