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put it this way, when a company makes something new, you expect it to excel not decel (not go back) that's what happened in gta iv, gta San Andreas had the most amazing game play ever, that was the most enjoyable game of all time, there was million if not billion of things to do, from quad bike to planes to helicopter, to boats, the list never ends, what happened in gta iv sure the graphics where amazing, but other than that the rest was a shit hole, that's why every one talks about how shit gta iv