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slowmo said:
deadlyvillain said:
JinFantasy said:
i think forza 3 will score in the 90-95 range and gt 5 will score in the 90-100 gt5 is a significant upgrade from gt 4 i felt gt4 was kind off a downgrade from gt3 gt5 has online now and damage and alot more features i cant see it losing in sales and in reviews

The first Gran Turismo game for the PSX got a metacritic of 96, the first one for PS2
"Gran Turismo 3: A-spec" got a 95, if GT5 follows this trend it will get a 94 metacritic score, which I think is in the realm of possibility.  First Forza for Xbox got a 92, first Forza for 360 got a 90, judging by Gran Turismo's past experiences, the second games on a console always faired WORSE than the first.  If this is any indication Forza 3 will score even lower than 90.  Gran Turismos first time releasing a second game on a console the score dropped 3 points, I'm predicting Forza 3 will follow suite, with a Metacritic score of 87.  We have to remember there is only so much demand for racing sims, so the reviewers and the market could conceivably already have had their racing sim fill and may both be more stubborn to Forza this time around, as they have been to Gran Turismo in the past.  So my predictions for sales and metacritic scores                                                                Gran Turismo 5: 94   Forza 3: 87,  Gran Turismo 5: 12.5m  Forza 3:  (No basis for a number)           


While I think Forza 3 will score higher than 90, your argument is excellent.  Nice post.

Thank You. To be fair to Forza, I'm not saying it gets what it deserves (assuming it scores 87), it may very well prove me wrong too, but I think the nasty reviewers get even nastier the second time around, and that takes its toll on the metacritic score regardless of how many reviews are superb.  Reading some of the bottom end Forza 2 reviews, some cynical reviewers seem to think Forza 2 only graphically upgraded and left everything else as is, so they may think Forza 3 is, "What Forza 2 should have been".  I don't think those crappy critics take into consideration all the nonsense developers have to go through when they start with a blank slate on a new console (especially for a racing sim, they have their hands full just getting the game onto the next gen console) The difference from the previous console to the current gen, is what, for the most part, subdues any reduction in critic review scores. I don't think theres really anything Forza 3 can do to take attention off of this.  Racing sims are very time consuming games, reviewing a racing sim is probably on par with reviewing an MMO because thats how much depth there is to them.  Again, if the reviewer feels like they should have had this experience last time around (regardless of if they actually should or shouldn't have) they may feel the developer "wasted" their time the first time around, and the reviews would be an inflection of this.  I honestly hope I'm proven wrong about Forza 3s meta score, and not just for Turn 10, but for Polyphony Digital as well(it would signify hope of making an improvement in the critics eyes on the same console) I really don't think it is fair of the critics, Forza 3 will deserve better scores(assuming it scores lower than 90) ,as the second iterations of GT on their respective consoles probably did as well, some critics are just incapable of separating their personal gripes that aren't really pertinent, from their critiques.  The high review scores are never the ones you need be concerned about, the lower ones are the ones that take the wind out of the metacritic score (punch it in the gut) Fortunately for forza 2  the lowest scores were 80, but Forza 3 has alot to prove to these reviewers in order to tip them the other way.  Whereas GT is coming in free of previous cynicism, as pertaining to this generation, granted it could be argued that GT Prologue may have created a debacle amongst reviewers, I think GT Prologue was shy of enough content to not make it a big hassle for a reviewer though, and I think the general sensuous was that for all intensive purposes GT Prologue was a really expensive, but equally gratuitous demo.