Forza 3: What's on disc 2 (104 cars, 29 tracks)

[lestatdark]

ironman said:

lestatdark said:
@Ironman

Woah, why so uptight? I'm just stating something that i've seen as a 360 user. You know, people don't all have the money to afford different SKU's. My friends got an arcade, because that's the most that they could afford, they are 360 only users because it was the cheapest console on the market here in europe, which is normally the most expensive market on par with Australia.
Please, as a racing enthusiast, don't try to tell me the importance of the nurburgring, because in that aspect I probably know more than you do and I don't want to start an argument over it.

What I tried to say in my post is that people are entitled to their opinions and complaints in this particular matter, you give some valid points in your arguments, I concede to that, but other people have also given valid points as well.

I'm uptight because I HATE the entitlement mentality, like you didn't know what you were getting yourself into. I understand not everybody could afford anything other than the arcade, but it's extremely hipocritical to buy the model without the hard drive, then complain you didn;t get a hard drive with your console. I mean, think about it, if they could only afford the arcade model, but there was no arcade model because all 360s came with a HD and were therefore more expensive that the arcade, they would be sitting at home right now complaining that they don't have a 360.

Believe me, I know the history of the Nurburgring, It USED to be a widely used and renound racing track, but those days are OVER. Forza 3 does not focus on touring car races, so it actually makes sence that they put the track on the second disc.

Other people's opinions are based on the assumption that nobody knew they weren't getting a HD with their 360. Lemme ask you this, do you know ANYBODY with an arcade model, that took it home from the store, opened it up and was like "WTF MS didn't give me the harddrive I paid for!"

You say that you hate the entitlement mentality, yet you are showing a close minded mentality that I hate as well, but that doesn't give me the right to be uptight about it.
Yes they would be sitting at home with no 360, just as they are sitting at home with no PS3 and no Wii, because they can't afford any of them at the price that they are (or were, in the case of the Wii).
The point is that they are not complaining about the arcade not coming with the HDD, they knew that already, the point is that the 360 games were always marketed and pointed as being the most streamlined and that they could have all the content in the discs without any need of installs, isn't that what has been the market of the 360 so far?.

So now having one game coming to the 360 that needs installs to access the full content of the game is bound to dissapoint some people, whether they are right or wrong about it. I bought mine with a HDD because I knew that I would have the need for a HDD, because of installing games on the HDD gives you some advantages over playing it only on DVD, but most 360 consumers don't have that kind of knowledge and information, because outside normal gaming circles, that information isn't that well widespread.

And about the nurb, as i said i don't want to start a discussion about it, but given that it's one of the most legendary tracks in racing history, and undoubtly the most complex track ever made, wouldn't it be logical to put it as a main track on Forza? I'm just saying this as a Racing fan.

Edit - After wandering through the list better, and using your logic, shouldn't Le mans track be on the optional disc as well, since most of the Le mans car are on the European Car Pack? See how unlogical that would be as well?