| highwaystar101 said: Ok, ok, maybe I used a bad statistic there. But I will try to justify my point with further statistics.
In the USA 65% of homicides are committed using firearms (Source and source) That's 2.97 people per 100,000 killed with guns out of 4.55 killed per 100,000. Now let's compare this to other developed countries with stricter gun control.
USA - 65% of homocides committed with firearms - 4.55 killed per 100,000 - (keep in mind the 39% gun ownership)
Britain - 8% of homocides committed with firearms - 1.45 people general homocides per 100,000 pop. New Zealand - 13% of homocides committed with firearms - 1.36 people general homocides per 100,000 pop. Australia - 16% of homocides committed with firearms - 1.57 people general homocides per 100,000 pop. Spain - 16% of homocides committed with firearms - 1.5 people general homocides per 100,000 pop. Finland - 19% of homocides committed with firearms - 2.19 people general homocides per 100,000 pop. Ireland - 24% of homocides committed with firearms - 1.33 people general homocides per 100,000 pop.
Now I know it's the UN who conducted this study and you guys will have a problem with the "anti-American leftys" and the fact that the study is 8 years old, but the age shouldn't matter, instinct is instinct, it was the newest reliable study out there and pretty much all of them say the same ting anyway. But there is a correlation here like it or not. The countries with less homocides using firearms has a lower murder rate overall.
Look guns are just a convenient disembodied way to kill someone. It's very easy to pull a trigger and kill someone, it's another thing to tackle them and stab them a dozen time to kill someone, that's the difference IMO. |
No... that's still bad statistic that doesn't tell you anything.
Also your cherry picking your countries... which is even funnier.
Israel and Switzerland for example have low murder rates.
Now when you look in the US. Like within the country, rather then comparing different countries for no reason... you'd see there is no correlation within the united states between areas with high gun ownership, and murder rates.
The same is true in regards to gun legislation and murder rates.
No correlation within the country. Which is a much most statistically accurate model then the one you are using. When you compare gun ownership and murder rates... within the country. It doesn't correlate.
http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/26466731?limit_modifier=all&graph[limit]=51&commit=%3E
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-1996-2008#MRord
Much more credible then using countries like England... who didn't even have that many violent crimes before gun legislation.
