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Zucas on 30 September 2009
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Kasz216 said:
stof said:
@ Onyxmeth. What exactly has been flat out wrong in his movies before? I tried asking this before and the best I got were links to critics who just disagreed with his political opinions. But having another view doesn't mean someones wrong, it means you disagree.

As for the name. I'm not sure if it's just unfortunate for the way it will make people think it has a totally different subject matter, or it it was a deliberate move to whittle those people out. Sort of a "oh, you think he's actually opposed to the entire Capital world system? you don't really get it and I'm not going to discuss it with you" kind of thing. It's probably the former.

I'll just go with a couple from Bowling from Columbine.

Bowling from Colombine

Mistake Factual error: After the shooting of Kayla Rolland at Mt. Morris, MI, just north of Flint, Michael Moore says "Just as he did after the Columbine shooting, [NRA President] Charlton Heston showed up in Flint, to have a big pro-gun rally" When in fact Heston's speech was given at a "get out the vote" rally in Flint, which was held when elections rolled by some eight months after the shooting (Feb 29 vs Oct 17) In fact, then-presidential candidate George W. Bush, then Vice-President Al Gore, civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, and Moore himself all spoke at the rally.

Mistake Continuity: The speech that Moore claims/shows then NRA president Charlton Heston giving in Colorado is actually several speeches edited into one. Note how Heston's clothing changes between cuts during this speech.

 

Here he is twice lieing... in cases where he obviously knows he's lieing.  Specifically to try and make Charlton Heston look bad. 

 

Hey now well formed premises, with reasoned support, and a modest conclusion.  I must say that is just wonderful to see.

 

As kasz has pointed out, Michael Moore is defintiely guilty of spin even to the part where the stacked evidence fallacies end up in bold face lies.  Very common for him and those like him.  Which is why it is very important to go into these things with an open mind but not an immediate accepting one.  Have to make sure that you notice the problems in argument with research and check to see if the conclusions still have merit.  Otherwise you'll fall into the trap too many Americans already do fall into.